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Post by mjclark on May 31, 2015 2:32:38 GMT -6
I've now had a couple of pre-WW2 Rolls Razors where the handle is a single piece and only the bracket which holds the blade at the very top of the handle unscrews.
It's been suggested that these are actually two-piece handles which have corroded, and the bracket is not designed to unscrew, but it looks more and more to me as if this is an intentional design since the handle has a stud at the top which does not appear to be the protrusion of an internal rod.
Any thoughts Gents?
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Post by PJGH on May 31, 2015 3:24:32 GMT -6
It's stuck ... and has come undone at the point of least resistance. Counter-offers greatly accepted with interest
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Post by bayamontate on May 31, 2015 8:31:52 GMT -6
I've only encountered two versions of the Rolls Razor handle, one is two pieces with the screw bottom and rod that holds the blade section when you tighten it, and the other is collapsible with no screw bottom.
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Post by kcb5150 on May 31, 2015 9:24:02 GMT -6
There is a one piece handle that looks like the stem handle. It's failure prone in the same way the collapsible handle is..
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Post by mjclark on May 31, 2015 15:02:24 GMT -6
There is a one piece handle that looks like the stem handle. It's failure prone in the same way the collapsible handle is.. A-ha!
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Post by PJGH on May 31, 2015 16:00:22 GMT -6
There is a one piece, but it's a completely different shape to yours, Marcus. The one piece doesn't have a milled section in the middle ... that comes apart if you could manage to what up the ginger to crack it open
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Post by kcb5150 on May 31, 2015 20:35:10 GMT -6
The collapsible handle is actually my favorite.
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Post by mjclark on May 31, 2015 21:37:35 GMT -6
There is a one piece, but it's a completely different shape to yours, Marcus. The one piece doesn't have a milled section in the middle ... that comes apart if you could manage to what up the ginger to crack it open So any photos? It's weird that I should get two of these handles in a row... ...and don't worry about the ginger Paul, it's in plentiful supply round here
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Post by kcb5150 on Jun 1, 2015 16:48:56 GMT -6
I think I pifed my last fixed handle set to someone. Will look
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Post by mjclark on Jun 2, 2015 1:18:21 GMT -6
As previously mentioned, a-ha! Keith has come up with the goods so thank you very much:
After never having seen these handles before, I got two in a row. The big giveaway, apart from the fact that they won't unscrew (irrespective of your supply of ginger) is the shape of the base and the size of the blade retaining stud at the top of the handle.
When were these handles manufactured? Were the two-piece handles available concurrently?
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Post by PJGH on Jun 2, 2015 4:08:05 GMT -6
Look at this patent: It's out of context, but I believe the top handle is the "new" patent being detailed and the bottom one the "as was" handle for comparison in the patent notes. Look at the bottom handle first ... 12 is a gap above the screw (13) which corresponds to the gap above the screw (10) and so the rod can be made to protrude (above 5) by screwing the handle closed. Now, look at the top handle. New patent, I think, and quite late - 1950, perhaps in manufacture beforehand as the design was filed in 1944. 12 & 13 show no gap. All the new stuff is point 17, 19, 22 & 23, a spring loaded rod. There is still a screw at point 10, for the purposes of assembly, but I'm going to guess that is locked tight and fused solid. So, the two piece and the one piece ... or near identical design, as apparent from the outside. It would appear that the one piece handle with spring loaded rod is a later design. Good research, fellows
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Post by mjclark on Jun 4, 2015 0:18:45 GMT -6
And well done on digging out that patent Paul! It's threads like these that make me so glad to be a member of TOST I think our knowledge of Rolls razors has advanced a small step further here.
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Post by IschiaPP on Jun 4, 2015 5:46:33 GMT -6
It's threads like these that make me so glad to be a member of TOST +1
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