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Post by riverrun on Feb 11, 2018 5:01:39 GMT -6
Don't get me started on German beers. Yes, there are some good beers in Germany (Franconia has been mentioned), but most German beers are just uninspiring and boring. Germany's "Reinheitsgebot" (beer purity law) is a disaster. You can't do anything interesting to beer without the law coming after you. If, say, a Belgian brewer one mile from the German border makes a lovely beer, but uses rye in the process, that brewer can sell his beer in Germany and call it "beer". EU regulations. Good for him. If his neighbour, just across the border, in Germany, makes the same beer, he is not allowed to sell his beer in Germany. Reinheitsgebot. He can sell it abroad only. This kills innovation in German beers. Most of them stick with making Pilsners. The big German beers all taste the same (mostly of hops). I'm not sure what your problem with Belgian beers is, but they make some of the most exciting beers I have ever tasted (and some experiments that one should quickly forget). Berlin used to have "Berliner Weisse" which was a great beer, but you can't get it anymore (well, you can, but just because it says "Berliner Weisse" on the label doesn't mean that's what's in the bottle - better to have a Belgian lambic instead). As a German, I regret to say that if you like interesting beers - look elsewhere.
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Post by 9nein9 on Feb 12, 2018 0:45:26 GMT -6
Any German beer is a delicacy compared to the generic swill they make here. I've decided to start my around the world beer tasting tour again as our beer store now had 2500 different beers (so they say) and Germany was my first stop of course. Actually the best pilsner I've had yet is the stuff my girlfriend's father brews .Never asked what brand he makes but when I finish one he has another in front of me lol. But seriously, it tastes damn good . I'm not a craft beer hater as we have more of them here than I have toes and fingers . They make some fine brew as well. ...so there
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Post by 9nein9 on Feb 12, 2018 1:05:11 GMT -6
Don't get me started on German beers. Yes, there are some good beers in Germany (Franconia has been mentioned), but most German beers are just uninspiring and boring. Germany's "Reinheitsgebot" (beer purity law) is a disaster. You can't do anything interesting to beer without the law coming after you. If, say, a Belgian brewer one mile from the German border makes a lovely beer, but uses rye in the process, that brewer can sell his beer in Germany and call it "beer". EU regulations. Good for him. If his neighbour, just across the border, in Germany, makes the same beer, he is not allowed to sell his beer in Germany. Reinheitsgebot. He can sell it abroad only. This kills innovation in German beers. Most of them stick with making Pilsners. The big German beers all taste the same (mostly of hops). I'm not sure what your problem with Belgian beers is, but they make some of the most exciting beers I have ever tasted (and some experiments that one should quickly forget). Berlin used to have "Berliner Weisse" which was a great beer, but you can't get it anymore (well, you can, but just because it says "Berliner Weisse" on the label doesn't mean that's what's in the bottle - better to have a Belgian lambic instead). As a German, I regret to say that if you like interesting beers - look elsewhere. That's a shame (beer purity law) cause yes , then all beers end up tasting the same . Seems the pilsner is the brew of choice, and although not very exciting, it's a change from north American beers that all taste the same after awhile . I think our store carries about 15 German beers and this one I tried last night is made under the purity law . I still say it wet my palate well and I enjoyed it. Seems most of the craft breweries here tend to go to the berries and apples for flavors and I'm not a fan of that. Alot stick to red ales and those don't do it for me either . Quantity doesn't Trump quality in my opinion and leaves only a few decent choices . I prefer lately to start sampling different beers from different countries as the last time a friend and I did this it made for some great conversation and a few debates .
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Post by zeri on Feb 12, 2018 2:37:34 GMT -6
I prefer a good Scotch..and all who know me well know I prefer a Single Malt Straight Up....Maybe some call that fancy, but I don't see how you could get that any simpler... But the beer I do reach for on a regular basis, is Root Beer...My favorite soft-drink...and I prefer Virgil's and Henry Weinhard's...And both of these are brewed the natural way at distileries that also brew regular Beer.....But I'll take even Barq's, A&W or Mugs over a cola anyday... I am in Birds corner. I am a Scotch guy. Straight up for me also. When I do drink beer the darker and heavier the better. Porters and Stouts. Good old Guinness That does it for me.
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Post by RobinK on Feb 12, 2018 9:21:26 GMT -6
Don't get me started on German beers. Yes, there are some good beers in Germany (Franconia has been mentioned), but most German beers are just uninspiring and boring. As far as the breweries owned by big conglomerates are concerned, that is true. But there are hundreds of independent breweries. Think Beck's vs Haake-Beck. Germany's "Reinheitsgebot" (beer purity law) is a disaster. You can't do anything interesting to beer without the law coming after you. If, say, a Belgian brewer one mile from the German border makes a lovely beer, but uses rye in the process, that brewer can sell his beer in Germany and call it "beer". EU regulations. Good for him. Huh?This kills innovation in German beers. Most of them stick with making Pilsners. The big German beers all taste the same (mostly of hops). Well, you have Pilsner, Alt, Kölsch, Helles, Dunkles, Kellerbier, Zwickel, and, and, and... You will never be more than 500m away from a decent, local beer. Unless you are somewhere in Brandenburg, in which case there will be Nazis and wolves, so you shouldn't be there in any event. Berlin used to have "Berliner Weisse" which was a great beer, but you can't get it anymore (well, you can, but just because it says "Berliner Weisse" on the label doesn't mean that's what's in the bottle - better to have a Belgian lambic instead). Huh?
That said, some of the new beers from abroad can be interesting. I have had very nice beers in the US (where, when I lived there in 1993/94 you could only get mass produced bottled piss, so that was a pleasant surprise), and also in Belgium. I like innovation, but I also like tradition, very much. Hence my love for Giesinger Brauerei in München, because they make traditional beers without any bells and whistles, but they also make some very nice craft beers. Leben und leben lassen, gell?
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Post by riverrun on Feb 12, 2018 10:43:51 GMT -6
Don't get me started on German beers. Yes, there are some good beers in Germany (Franconia has been mentioned), but most German beers are just uninspiring and boring. As far as the breweries owned by big conglomerates are concerned, that is true. But there are hundreds of independent breweries. Think Beck's vs Haake-Beck. In 1880 there were about 19000 breweries in Germany, today there are less than 1300. Even during my lifetime the number of breweries has almost halved. Quite a few regional speciality beers are now extinct. Germany's "Reinheitsgebot" (beer purity law) is a disaster. You can't do anything interesting to beer without the law coming after you. If, say, a Belgian brewer one mile from the German border makes a lovely beer, but uses rye in the process, that brewer can sell his beer in Germany and call it "beer". EU regulations. Good for him. Huh? www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/18/germany-reinheitsgebot-beer-purity-law-klosterbrauerei-neuzelleBerlin used to have "Berliner Weisse" which was a great beer, but you can't get it anymore (well, you can, but just because it says "Berliner Weisse" on the label doesn't mean that's what's in the bottle - better to have a Belgian lambic instead). Huh?
All the original Berliner Weisse breweries were bought by larger breweries after reunification. Those now brew a beer called "Berliner Weisse" in their modern breweries, but using different yeasts. They left the original brettanomyces yeasts behind when they moved production to their modern sites. The resulting beer has only the name in common with "Berliner Weisse". Belgian lambics are truer in spirit to original Berliner Weisse than modern copies. Berliner Weisse is (almost) extinct. That said, some of the new beers from abroad can be interesting. I have had very nice beers in the US (where, when I lived there in 1993/94 you could only get mass produced bottled piss, so that was a pleasant surprise), and also in Belgium. I like innovation, but I also like tradition, very much. Hence my love for Giesinger Brauerei in München, because they make traditional beers without any bells and whistles, but they also make some very nice craft beers. Leben und leben lassen, gell?I'm sure there are still some great beers to be had in Germany, but I have lived in Germany for long enough to notice that other nations have more exciting beers. Prost!
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Post by cannonshaves on Feb 13, 2018 19:11:57 GMT -6
I am all for the rising popularity of craft beer, but some people get into it that shouldn't. But living in Colorado (the state of craft beer) keeps me happy
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Post by ShadowsDad on Feb 16, 2018 15:54:35 GMT -6
When I was in West Germany in the early '70s, I was drinking some of the best Pilsners in the world, but after a while it got old... "Yet another pilsner". But across from the bahnhof in Mainz was the Bier Tunnel (spelling?) they "imported" beers from Munich and I'd go there for beer variety. They had really good food too.
Alas, today I can't drink beer without turning off my water works. I think it's the hops that doesn't play well with my prostate. So I stick to adult root beer and such, or hard liquor. My Dr tells me that I have an atypical prostate. Aging sux. I LOVE beer! I just can't drink it.
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Post by GarnerPW on Feb 16, 2018 17:45:53 GMT -6
When I was in West Germany in the early '70s, I was drinking some of the best Pilsners in the world, but after a while it got old... "Yet another pilsner". But across from the bahnhof in Mainz was the Bier Tunnel (spelling?) they "imported" beers from Munich and I'd go there for beer variety. They had really good food too. Alas, today I can't drink beer without turning off my water works. I think it's the hops that doesn't play well with my prostate. So I stick to adult root beer and such, or hard liquor. My Dr tells me that I have an atypical prostate. Aging sux. I LOVE beer! I just can't drink it. I am soooo sorry to hear that you can no longer drink beer. I don't know if life would be worth living if I couldn't drink beer.
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Post by wchnu on Feb 16, 2018 22:45:26 GMT -6
When I was in West Germany in the early '70s, I was drinking some of the best Pilsners in the world, but after a while it got old... "Yet another pilsner". But across from the bahnhof in Mainz was the Bier Tunnel (spelling?) they "imported" beers from Munich and I'd go there for beer variety. They had really good food too. Alas, today I can't drink beer without turning off my water works. I think it's the hops that doesn't play well with my prostate. So I stick to adult root beer and such, or hard liquor. My Dr tells me that I have an atypical prostate. Aging sux. I LOVE beer! I just can't drink it. I am soooo sorry to hear that you can no longer drink beer. I don't know if life would be worth living if I couldn't drink beer. Kinda what I told the idiot Doctor that told me to lay off the coffee. He thought I was joking. I told him if I do not get coffee people die. He just laughed as he edged toward the door.
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Post by ShadowsDad on Feb 17, 2018 0:27:30 GMT -6
Fuzzy, ROTFLMAO!
Yeah Garner, I used to brew my own absolutely delicious beer, English Red, Porter, Sheaf Tooth, barley wine ale, and others. I'd get home from work and sit on the deck with a cold one and contemplate the oneness of everything. But all that is behind me now and I miss those days more than you can know. I pretty much always had a batch fermenting. At one time I would have 20 or more cases aging and waiting for consumption. Now those cases are empty. I need to give them to a good home.
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Post by ordinaryshaver on Sept 11, 2018 12:39:10 GMT -6
This is an IPA, and has a great hoppes taste. It is naned after an old neighborhood in Dallas. Great beer and a I believe 5.2 abv. Attachments:
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Post by TobyC on Sept 11, 2018 20:23:03 GMT -6
Root beer for me.
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Post by Z-2 on Sept 14, 2018 13:41:56 GMT -6
A lot of beers in Bulgaria, but still my favorites are :
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Post by ordinaryshaver on Sept 18, 2018 10:41:36 GMT -6
Enjoying a day off today, getting ready to post a video to the post channel and partaking of a nice cold rolling rock beer.
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