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Post by IschiaPP on Dec 8, 2019 6:57:19 GMT -6
After all a razor is just a blade holder. They all do the same job. Then they should all be the same. Why try dozens of slightly different models? Any small differences are ironed out with technique. I get a kick out of people who say weight balance and such change a shave. With proper technique there is really no difference. In the end everything can be done, if you know how to do it. But it requires useless work. Just correct the small imperfections. Size, weight, balance are useful factors to have a substantial difference: the pleasure. If an instrument does not become the natural extension of the hand, it is imperfect.Adjusting it to your own preferences does not change the substance. But the form, which is what is needed. If you know how to use it, with a liter of water you can: • drink it • fly a balloon • break a stone • to cook The substance does not change.
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Post by TobyC on Dec 8, 2019 6:59:39 GMT -6
After all a razor is just a blade holder. They all do the same job. Then they should all be the same. Why try dozens of slightly different models? Any small differences are ironed out with technique. I get a kick out of people who say weight balance and such change a shave. With proper technique there is really no difference. In the end everything can be done, if you know how to do it. But it requires useless work. Just correct the small imperfections. Size, weight, balance are useful factors to have a substantial difference: the pleasure. If an instrument does not become the natural extension of the hand, it is imperfect.Adjusting it to your own preferences does not change the substance. But the form, which is what is needed. If you know how to use it, with a liter of water you can: • drink it • fly a balloon • break a stone • to cook The substance does not change. You offer argument for the sake of argument, I call that trolling.
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Post by IschiaPP on Dec 8, 2019 7:09:02 GMT -6
She said, "I swear you can shave with anything sharp." She's not wrong. Here the same. For the past three decades I have used hundreds of razors of all kinds. This is why I no longer want to adapt, but I've learned what I prefer and how to get it even by modifying a razor. ... I call that trolling. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_trollNow I'm sure you don't know what you're talking about. Words and ways are more like your ...
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Post by wchnu on Dec 8, 2019 7:24:43 GMT -6
After all a razor is just a blade holder. They all do the same job. Then they should all be the same. Why try dozens of slightly different models? Any small differences are ironed out with technique. I get a kick out of people who say weight balance and such change a shave. With proper technique there is really no difference. In the end everything can be done, if you know how to do it. But it requires useless work. Just correct the small imperfections. Size, weight, balance are useful factors to have a substantial difference: the pleasure. If an instrument does not become the natural extension of the hand, it is imperfect.Adjusting it to your own preferences does not change the substance. But the form, which is what is needed. If you know how to use it, with a liter of water you can: • drink it • fly a balloon • break a stone • to cook The substance does not change. That is my point. They are basically all the same. I use different types because this is my hobby.
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Post by wchnu on Dec 8, 2019 7:25:49 GMT -6
Even if you pay a little more than $ 10 for a modern razor of the same type, you will notice technical improvements. Better handling, balancing, overall efficiency. If I look at the wedge of a leather catcher, the Gem styles are also new fangeled thingies. Not to mention the better Injector, and especially the AC style razors. Love the Colonel.
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Post by wchnu on Dec 8, 2019 7:28:33 GMT -6
Then they should all be the same. Why try dozens of slightly different models? In the end everything can be done, if you know how to do it. But it requires useless work. Just correct the small imperfections. Size, weight, balance are useful factors to have a substantial difference: the pleasure. If an instrument does not become the natural extension of the hand, it is imperfect.Adjusting it to your own preferences does not change the substance. But the form, which is what is needed. If you know how to use it, with a liter of water you can: • drink it • fly a balloon • break a stone • to cook The substance does not change. You offer argument for the sake of argument, I call that trolling. I think trolling is more arguing just looking for a reaction. Expressing your thoughts on a subject is what we do here. To be honest I did not go look at the link up there.
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Post by IschiaPP on Dec 8, 2019 8:08:33 GMT -6
Expressing your thoughts on a subject is what we do here. Better to do it in a polite way, as this group of gentlemen requires. We avoid barracks slang ...
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Post by godek on Dec 8, 2019 9:08:36 GMT -6
After reading on in this thread it came to my mind that in one segment newer razors could indeed offer new possibilities.
A TNNSER weighs in between 19g and 25g depending on material used for printing. Apart from disposables, I think a BIC unmentionable (Fuzzy was here) is around 5g, there are no similarly lightweight razors. AFAIK certainly no vintage SE ones. I have no idea of the actual weight of an Enders. Although I assume ShaDe bakelite razors could be very light weight as well.
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Post by wchnu on Dec 8, 2019 10:19:53 GMT -6
Expressing your thoughts on a subject is what we do here. Better to do it in a polite way, as this group of gentlemen requires. We avoid barracks slang ... It is kind of like being in a bar... it is a mix. There is always a cranky old guy... usually myself actually. We will keep away from personal attacks. However I do not feel the Colonel there is meant to be that.
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Post by wchnu on Dec 8, 2019 10:27:17 GMT -6
After reading on in this thread it came to my mind that in one segment newer razors could indeed offer new possibilities. A TNNSER weighs in between 19g and 25g depending on material used for printing. Apart from disposables, I think a BIC unmentionable (Fuzzy was here) is around 5g, there are no similarly lightweight razors. AFAIK certainly no vintage SE ones. I have no idea of the actual weight of an Enders. Although I assume ShaDe bakelite razors could be very light weight as well. br godek I adjusted your post a bit. Some of the lather catchers are light not sure of the weights. Someone else may know.
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Post by TobyC on Dec 8, 2019 10:51:22 GMT -6
I have not used a newer razor yet that was “better” in any way then vintage. The handling and all is pretty much the same regardless of age. After all a razor is just a blade holder. They all do the same job. Any small differences are ironed out with technique. I get a kick out of people who say weight balance and such change a shave. With proper technique there is really no difference. My wife saw me shaving the other day as she was passing the bathroom door. She shook her head side to side and smiled. She said, "I swear you can shave with anything sharp." She's not wrong. I own going on a hundred different razors and use a different one almost daily. Each one requires a slight change in technique and making those adjustments every morning for my shave has made me a pretty nimble driver of a blade. I agree wholeheartedly that when it comes to razors its the technique that really matters in the end. Sure, some razors have better characteristics then others. How that translates to the shave though is due more to the hand that holds the razor than anything else. Like
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Post by TobyC on Dec 8, 2019 10:56:46 GMT -6
Then they should all be the same. Why try dozens of slightly different models? In the end everything can be done, if you know how to do it. But it requires useless work. Just correct the small imperfections. Size, weight, balance are useful factors to have a substantial difference: the pleasure. If an instrument does not become the natural extension of the hand, it is imperfect.Adjusting it to your own preferences does not change the substance. But the form, which is what is needed. If you know how to use it, with a liter of water you can: • drink it • fly a balloon • break a stone • to cook The substance does not change. That is my point. They are basically all the same. I use different types because this is my hobby. 👍
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Post by TobyC on Dec 8, 2019 10:58:32 GMT -6
You offer argument for the sake of argument, I call that trolling. I think trolling is more arguing just looking for a reaction. Expressing your thoughts on a subject is what we do here. To be honest I did not go look at the link up there. The Persistent Debate Troll
This type of troll loves a good argument. They can take a great, thoroughly researched and fact-based piece of content, and come at it from all opposing discussion angles to challenge its message. They believe they're right, and everyone else is wrong. You'll often also find them leaving long threads or arguments with other commenters in community comment sections, and they're always determined to have the last word – continuing to comment until that other user gives up. .
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Post by TobyC on Dec 8, 2019 11:12:15 GMT -6
I don't weigh razors, or pay attention when the numbers are printed in front of me, it doesn't matter what a razor weighs.
I can't stand the guys who won't buy a razor until they know what the blade gap is, that doesn't matter either.
Shave man! Be happy! I have a low tolerance for the know-it-all, better-than-you types. This forum has been free from that annoyance and I really hate to see it be corrupted in that way.
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Post by jayaruh on Dec 8, 2019 11:35:55 GMT -6
I don't weigh razors, or pay attention when the numbers are printed in front of me, it doesn't matter what a razor weighs. I can't stand the guys who won't buy a razor until they know what the blade gap is, that doesn't matter either. Shave man! Be happy! I have a low tolerance for the know-it-all, better-than-you types. This forum has been free from that annoyance and I really hate to see it be corrupted in that way. LIKE I love the forum, but I don't always agree with everyone. However, I find that no two people are going to agree on everything, but they are entitled to believe in something however strongly. Like someone said, "It's your shave, enjoy it your way." I won't get bogged down in someone's post if it is too long or of no interest to me. Just move on to something else.
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