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Post by johna2231 on Mar 31, 2012 12:16:11 GMT -6
I tried another ER this morning. I have no idea what model it is but it resembles a Gem 1912 in appearance. It's an evil beast in aggression though! Wow! 8 weepers, but a two pass BBS shave. I MUST TAME THIS BEAST! A QUEST! hehe. Sounds like a good subject for a new thread and some pictures. Yes Sir, that will be happening soon. John
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Post by HoosierTrooper on Mar 31, 2012 16:16:06 GMT -6
The ER version of the 1912 frame was called the Improved Ever-Ready Razor, and came out in 1930 as a replacement for the 1924. I have a theory that ER tried to improve the opening and closing quirk of the 1914 with the 1924, which has it's own quirk. Neither one is as easy to load and unload as the 1912 style so the ER design team finally gave up and replaced it with their version. Thanks RM. It just might be my favorite razor now. You GO RocketMan! I'm sure there's one out there with your name on it. I tried another ER this morning. I have no idea what model it is but it resembles a Gem 1912 in appearance. It's an evil beast in aggression though! Wow! 8 weepers, but a two pass BBS shave. I MUST TAME THIS BEAST! A QUEST! hehe.
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Post by RocketMan on Mar 31, 2012 17:54:40 GMT -6
RM, as long as you're not looking for collector grade I've found that they can had on e-bay fairly reasonably. As long as you bid on every one, keep to what you want to spend as the max bid, eventually you'll get one for a good price. This strategy would certainly work. I gotta commit though. I just picked up a couple of neat items recently - one is a french adjustable single edge wedge blade rasor. Pretty clever one really! Circa 1910s-20's somewhere. I have to take some pics soon. But it can get to be like being in the casino this razor buying thing. Modern addiction I suppose. ;D Still thinking about shopping for one of these 1924s though. Probably pretty close to next on the list. (I only recently broke down and pushed the button for the a lot - gBar, Feather weight and PushButton. I have had an NOS Feather weight for about three years now but just couldn't bear to use it so it will soon be my turn to try one out - plus the gBar and Featherweight. So I am pleased!! 1924..... working on it!
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Post by ShadowsDad on Mar 31, 2012 19:24:40 GMT -6
Don't forget, they were meant to be used! And who better to use them than us?
I have a "never been used" AutoStrop and I contemplating never using it also. Then I was reminded of what I wrote above. It doesn't shave any better or any worse than any other model of that type, but it sure is nice once in a while to treat myself!
You'll never wear a FW out, so use it. I've seen them abused and worn, but never worn from use.
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Post by johna2231 on Apr 1, 2012 9:50:20 GMT -6
HT,
You mentioned that the '24 has "it's own quirk". What would that be? Still amazed at all the knowledge on here. Thanks everyone.
John
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Post by HoosierTrooper on Apr 1, 2012 10:55:29 GMT -6
The way it's hinged at the front. The first time I opened one the blade went flying out because I was a little heavy handed when I opened it. It's not a big deal, but the 1912 is a bit simpler in opening and closing, which is why I think ER eventually went to that frame design. HT, You mentioned that the '24 has "it's own quirk". What would that be? Still amazed at all the knowledge on here. Thanks everyone. John
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Post by johna2231 on Apr 1, 2012 11:08:03 GMT -6
Got it. Thanks! John
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Post by RocketMan on Jun 16, 2012 10:14:34 GMT -6
All right, I have finally picked up an ER 24. 99 cents plus 2.00 shipping. Even my Scottish side couldn't resist this one!! Very nice shape too I must add. I am a little puzzled here though fellas. People seem to just go ahead and use these, but there is an issue with the frame design as it relates to modern blades - and that regards the blade retainers on the sides of the razor. They line up pretty much identically with the slots in the sides of the blade and make blade retention pretty poor. I personally find the blade fit to be unsatisfactory for using these. Can someone explain how they properly load a blade in it?? The frame - with retention clips on the sides: The blades, with slots right where the clips are - the blades flop around: I am not happy with the fit here - what gives???
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Post by wchnu on Jun 16, 2012 14:13:26 GMT -6
Yup that is the story. They were made to be used with the blades that did not have the cutouts on the side. Once the top is closed it holds the blade for the shave. I have seen reports that some say the blade can move. I do not use this model much. But get a decent shave when I do as I recall.
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Post by ShadowsDad on Jun 16, 2012 14:32:40 GMT -6
RM, There is a spring in the cover that I think is responsible for holding the blade against and under the stops. Is yours there? And do the ends stand away from the rear of the cover by about 1/16"?
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Post by RocketMan on Jun 16, 2012 15:01:58 GMT -6
RM, There is a spring in the cover that I think is responsible for holding the blade against and under the stops. Is yours there? And do the ends stand away from the rear of the cover by about 1/16"? Yes, I did notice the spring mechanism - but this razor's design almost begs for an old style ridge back blade. The frame really does not appear to hold the blade very snugly at all. It is also not that easy really to get it into place as it appears critical to push it snugly into the blade stops. You can still push the blade out of place once it is installed. I do appreciate the Your Mileage May Vary rule, and in this instance I am going to say that for myself this will be a seldom used razor. There are so many that fit a modern blade snugly and safely, I personally will be avoiding this one after a shave or two. I have to assess the ER 1924 as off my rotation list. YMMV
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Post by ShadowsDad on Jun 16, 2012 16:27:13 GMT -6
I think it's that particular razor. All of my specimens hold the blade securely. That's why I asked about the spring.
I have another coming in probably Monday. I'll be sure to check it and report back.
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Post by blobby on Jun 16, 2012 20:05:59 GMT -6
I never had any worries about the blade being secure or not. Provided the stops are in working order the only thing the blade can do is slip backwards, in which case the worst thing that can happen is that you'll only be scraping lather off your face. It is a bit of a clumsy design with a huge head and it holds a load of water after rinsing. That, and the fact that it's a bit too aggressive for my liking, made me PIF it on. It makes an almost ear deafening noise which is kind of fun.
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Post by themba on Jun 18, 2012 22:41:18 GMT -6
The ER pat. 1924 is my favorite razor shave wise. Design wise, I like the The Micromatic Flying Wing the most.
A couple things about the ER pat. 1924. As many have already pointed out, the razor was designed for use with older style, thicker SE blades that did not have the notches on the sides. Also, the spine on these older blades were much thicker, which resulted in a different blade angle than with modern SE blades. The spring ShadowsDad mentioned is really what keeps the blade from moving around.
If you really want to get the best out of these razors then I suggest you use a spine from an older blade or adjust the spine on a modern blade to match the angle of these older blades. When this is done the ER pat 1924 is not as "aggressive" as the blade angle is more in line with it's intended design.
Also, the intended shave angle for these razors called for a steeper angle, not the flat to your face shave angle.
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Post by ShadowsDad on Jun 19, 2012 14:56:38 GMT -6
FWIW, I just acquired another '24 with a handle attachment that I've never seen before anywhere. No mention of it in Waits either. I didn't need it, but I thought it was unique enough that I wanted it. Normally, I'm not a collector. It's the left one. All of the others I've seen have the handle attachment seen at the right. I'm guessing that it's an early one, but it came in a (according to Waits) '25 Sport case. The handle is different also in that it fits the raised threaded section perfectly and matches the diameter of the raised section. The handle itself is the same length but when screwed in the additional length of the threaded section is added to it and results in slightly more useable handle length. Maybe 1/8" or a hair more. IMO, it makes for a nicer looking razor, but of course that's purely subjective. I'm guessing that it's an early model since the manufacture of it is more complex than the pressed sheet metal one seen to the right. It is composed of 2 parts each requiring separate attachment to the head. I've never seen a manufacturer with a design requiring fewer man hours to assemble, and easier manufacture move to a more complex, harder to assemble, cast 2 part system. Does anyone know anything about this?
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