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Post by mjclark on Apr 15, 2014 1:01:47 GMT -6
My British ER 1912 has a flat cap with a bevel and my ER 1912 Brooklyn has a curved cap with a concave indentation like many of the Damaskeenes. Both razors have the same frame, but I much prefer the shave from the curved cap Brooklyn and seem to get better results especially on chin and neck. Is my preference just psychological or does the flatness/curvature of the cap really affect the shave this much? What do you think?
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norfolkdick
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Post by norfolkdick on Apr 15, 2014 2:18:32 GMT -6
Greetings
I have both and truly do not know, my Damaskeene (standard model) with the curved top cover is my best shaving 1912 whether this is due in part, in whole, or in spite of the curved cover I just do not know, I would say that my next best shaving 1912 is my GEM junior with the baton handle and the bevelled top cover, I rate this in front of my Damaskeene OC.
As we all know the tiniest differences between models make a huge difference in how they shave, I have given up trying to work out why my Dammy shaves better than the other 1912's probably because I have failed to come up with an answer!
Regards Dick.
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Post by PJGH on Apr 15, 2014 3:03:17 GMT -6
The Damaskeene is well regarded as the better shave, compared to the GEM/ER 1912s. I think that difference disregards these oddities which I reckon fell out of the transition around 1919 when the Damaskeene was withdrawn and the GEM came into force - they would have had loads of old Damaskeene caps to use up and so the earlier 1919 onward "1912s" would have been using up that stock.
Since they're ostensibly the same as the Damaskeene and the Damaskeene is universally regarded as the better shave, I think we can join the dots and say it is more than psychological.
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Post by mjclark on Apr 15, 2014 9:42:20 GMT -6
Yes - and I'm also open to the theory I had thrown at me recently that in fact manufacturing standards were so variable that there are actually many different batches of the same SE model and that each batch shaves differently. When you factor in the random effects of ageing it is quite plausible that each individual SE shaves differently, hence the very wide variance in our reported experience of exactly the same models.
This supports nofolkdick's position, and I'm beginning to see the wisdom of treating each individual SE as performing uniquely, and not trying to force them into umbrella categories.
It would be very interesting to have a shave off between two different examples of EXACTLY the same SE to see if there is a noticeable variance from razor to razor.
And there's also a suggestion that it's simply due to the shape of the shaver's face which SE works best for them...
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Post by wchnu on Apr 17, 2014 22:26:19 GMT -6
I can not get into the deep end of this discussion. I do think my razors with the curved covers give a better shave then the flat covers.
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Post by HoosierTrooper on Apr 18, 2014 6:34:38 GMT -6
I definitely prefer the ones with the round, or "convexly concave" cover plates, as it's called in the 1912 patent application.That's also why I really like the 1914 and Streamline so much.
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