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Post by PJGH on May 2, 2014 12:05:31 GMT -6
We know there is a difference between the Patent Pending and the Patented 1914s, the stamping is different and the handle is a round knurled on the Patent Pending (generally) compared to a six sided simple handle on the Patented (generally). I have two Patented, yet they have ever so slightly different handles ... One is slightly fluted, the other plain as it could be. Looking closer, blow me down! There's another difference! Can you spot it? Yep! You got it ... there is a tension band around one and not the other, also a slight variation on the cap itself at the back, although the stamping is pretty much the same. You've got to love these thing ... just when you think you've got it all figured out, a curveball comes smashing through the window! Who has a Patent Pending they can tag along with this? If you have two, look very carefully at them - there might be a difference.
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Post by PJGH on May 7, 2014 12:57:43 GMT -6
I guess you guys missed it, too ... I just spotted it having bought another 1914.
"American Safety Razor Corp." and "American Safety Razor Co. Inc."
"Corp" has the unsprung blade guides, "Co Inc" has the sprung blade guides.
So, as well as Patent Pending and Patented variants, we also have Corp and Co Inc, sprung and unsprung variants.
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Post by PJGH on May 10, 2014 6:15:08 GMT -6
Yet another difference!
I have two labelled "Co. Inc" inside, both with sprung blade retaining clips, but on the back under where it says "Patented March 24/14", one says "Made in USA" beneath, the other does not.
Moving to my one labelled "Corp" inside, that does not have the sprung clip but does say "Made in USA" beneath "Patented March 24/14" on the back.
Dating is easier, since the ASR Co. Inc became the ASR Corp in 1919 when Ever Ready, GEM & Star (Kampfe Bros) all came together. So, the two with sprung blade retaining clips are pre-1919 and the plainer one is post-1919.
... and all "1914s".
I know there is another variant, which I am certain will say "Co. Inc" inside and that one says "Patent Pending" on the back. I wonder if there are "Made in USA" and blank variants of those?
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Post by prometeo on May 10, 2014 15:40:18 GMT -6
Thank you very much for oportación ... interesting.
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Post by PJGH on May 10, 2014 15:49:33 GMT -6
All the fun is in the details ...
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Post by PJGH on Jul 2, 2014 2:08:41 GMT -6
I now have a "Patent Pending".
Comparing it to my three other 1914s, all of which are quite different to each other, I find yet more differences in this one. Yes, it has the same "Co. Inc" on the inside (most definitely pre-1919 merger), "Patent Pending" on the back, the same design at the back of the hinge to the others of the period but the sprung blade clip is not attached to the underside of the base.
The blade retaining hooks are the front are the same as my other early "Patented" razor, a style which is different to the other two: a later pre-1919 "Patented/Co Inc" and a post-1919 "Patented/Corp".
So, now four 1914s and all different - certainly two "styles", if you like, given the differences in the blade retaining hooks and the difference that can make to the presentation of the blade.
I'll try to get some close-up pictures this evening. Incidentally, I also noticed some considerable differences in the top cap on my three Damaskeenes ...
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Post by fram773 on Jul 2, 2014 9:21:22 GMT -6
Is there any difference between them involving different blade exposure (that alone should change the angle) and that affecting their cutting angle? Maybe any difference in head curvature?
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Post by RobinK on Jul 2, 2014 10:33:08 GMT -6
Just a general idea (and maybe better placed in a thread of its own): www.wikia.com/Wikia. Why do we not create an SE Wiki and document this stuff properly. I have done it before (cf SRPWiki) and it was a lot of fun.
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Post by spidey9 on Nov 3, 2014 1:23:21 GMT -6
To further muddy the waters, here is a 1914 that I recently picked up on eBay: Note that it has the small blades stops, normally seen on the "Patent Pending" version of the 1914: To make things even more interesting, the following note was folded up in the top of the box. I have no way of knowing if it is authentic, but it looks really old (of course I'm no expert): Now, here is the kicker: It's not a "Patent Pending" model: It was my understanding that the "Patented March 24/14" models did not show up until around 1917. The note would appear to contradict that. Of course, that not only assumes that the note is authentic, but also that the author of the note had his dates straight. Also, I also was under the impression that the 24/14 models all had the longer hook type blade stops. Comments? --Bob
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Post by fram773 on Nov 3, 2014 7:52:29 GMT -6
To further muddy the waters, here is a 1914 that I recently picked up on eBay: Note that it has the small blades stops, normally seen on the "Patent Pending" version of the 1914: To make things even more interesting, the following note was folded up in the top of the box. I have no way of knowing if it is authentic, but it looks really old (of course I'm no expert): Now, here is the kicker: It's not a "Patent Pending" model: It was my understanding that the "Patented March 24/14" models did not show up until around 1917. The note would appear to contradict that. Of course, that not only assumes that the note is authentic, but also that the author of the note had his dates straight. Also, I also was under the impression that the 24/14 models all had the longer hook type blade stops. Comments? --Bob Another possibility is that the razor included was not original to the box. Also, do the stops look original? When they break off they look like nubs.
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Post by spidey9 on Nov 3, 2014 10:44:34 GMT -6
The razor is pristine - the stops are definitely not broken off. I have a "Patent Pending" 1914 (also in really good condition) and the two razors are identical except for the patent markings.
Of course, it is always possible that the razor is not original to the box, or not the razor to which the note is referring.
--Bob
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