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Post by mjclark on May 12, 2014 13:10:25 GMT -6
My second ER 1912 Brooklyn arrived today. My first one was very tatty and didn't have a handle. The thread was too small for a British 1912 handle to fit, so I retapped it to take one and absolutely love the shave from it. My second one is a bit less tatty and has the original small handle with small thread. The Brooklyn has a curved cap and an aggressive frame so the head is almost identical to the majority of Damaskeenes, and I much prefer the shave with the curved cap to that of the later flat capped 1912s. I've seen it suggested that these curved cap Brooklyns appeared around the 1919 ASR transition and were using up Damaskeene parts before the phasing in of the new revised 1912 design. What do you think? In any case it's a lovely shaver!
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Post by PJGH on May 12, 2014 13:18:55 GMT -6
Is that the same short handle as the stropper I send down?
I have a couple of what I think are early post-1919 "1912s", both curve capped, both short handles and both narrower thread.
Logically, it stands to reason those already produced/tooled production lines would continue to kick out the same heads, just re-stamped to reflect the new organisation.
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Post by mjclark on May 12, 2014 15:35:50 GMT -6
It's the same handle design as the stropper, but the stropper has the later wider thread.
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Post by drumzalot on May 12, 2014 18:12:47 GMT -6
I too prefer the curved top plate SE models. Still though, every 1912 I've come across has been a winner and a pleasure to use. Nice score MJ!
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Post by wchnu on May 12, 2014 22:30:42 GMT -6
I too prefer the curved top plate SE models. Still though, every 1912 I've come across has been a winner and a pleasure to use. Nice score MJ! What he said. Those are outstanding razors. I agree any model 1912 is a winner.
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Post by mjclark on May 12, 2014 22:36:00 GMT -6
Thanks guys! I had an amazing shave with the Brooklyn last night So which models have the thinner handle thread? Is it all the pre-20s 1912s?
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Post by PJGH on May 13, 2014 0:23:22 GMT -6
That seems to be the consensus ...
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Post by mjclark on May 13, 2014 1:09:09 GMT -6
That seems to be the consensus ... So the Damaskeenes have the same thread as these Brooklyns, which is thinner than the 1920s and 30s 1912s?
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Post by PJGH on May 13, 2014 2:18:57 GMT -6
I wouldn't know ... ask Joe 'Peerless-less' B
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Post by drumzalot on May 13, 2014 16:11:45 GMT -6
I wouldn't know ... ask Joe 'Peerless-less' B MJ, as for the ER Brooklyn I don't own one so I can't compare. Mr. Paul, I was about to show you my collection of Peerless models but with that remark FORGET IT! What is a DamaskeeneLESS person doing in this thread? Oh, excuse me, I didn't mean to say that it just slipped out.
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Post by mjclark on May 13, 2014 22:47:03 GMT -6
...and don't the "Traveller" sets also have a smaller thread handle, although these were made in the 20s alongside models with the wider thread?
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Post by PJGH on May 14, 2014 0:28:57 GMT -6
I think the Traveller sets must go along with the thread size and pitch for the age ... narrower for the first run of 1919 onwards, GEM/ASR/Star merger. In the 1914 line, I have a pre-1919, couple of post-1919 one of which is a Traveller and they all have the same thread, although incompatible with the 1912. I think we can take it that the pre-1919 "1912" is the Damaskeene, the thread size and pitch of which continued for the American made (these were not seen in Britain, although Canadian imports might have made it) post-1919 since that was the GEM format. As the new merger got underway into the '20s, they settled on the longer handles and different thread across the range. Joe - I am keeping my eye out over here. If a good example turns up, I'll give you the hint. If a cheap enough one becomes available as a "buy it not", I'll buy it and send you it. Peace, bro' I think the key question is ... is the thread on the Damaskeene smaller than the established '20s ERs? British or American.
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Post by mjclark on May 14, 2014 0:52:05 GMT -6
This is getting even more interesting now. So handle thread size could be used as an aid to dating the 1912s...
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Post by PJGH on May 14, 2014 9:29:46 GMT -6
Could be ... until we find an obviously later handle with a small thread
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Post by mjclark on May 14, 2014 14:55:01 GMT -6
Could be ... until we find an obviously later handle with a small thread Yes Paul, I guess that is inevitable in this crazy world of 1912s!
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