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Post by fram773 on Nov 12, 2014 0:12:18 GMT -6
Unlike many who claim the Micromatic doesn't work with the original instructions, with the head of the razor flat against the face, I get excellent results doing this. What makes this possible in GEM marketing literature is the "skin bevel," which is the bump on the MMCP and MMOC's head (if you look closely, the MMCP has a skin bevel that is longer and thus less pronounced than the MMOC's skin bevel), this smoothens the skin and prepares it to be cut at the proper angle automatically. This technique does require some slight pressure and goes against today's dogma of no pressure. So is because you guys are using no pressure that you have to use the MM slightly off-flat? and could me using it this way lead me to believe the MMOC isn't anywhere near as aggressive as many say? I first read of this theory in this guy's blog: shavelikeaman.blogspot.com/2011/09/de-technique-convention-attacked.htmlApparently he and some others have used DEs and used pressure to make the cutting angle smaller (and not so scrapey as a DE is, following shaving dogma). The B and B member that originally proposed this was actually inspired by using the MicroMatics, as per the original (flat) instructions, and using some pressure. Furthermore a couple of other forum members have started using this method (they call it "riding the cap") with good results: theshaveden.com/forums/threads/what-did-we-learn-from-our-last-shaves-gentlemen.41254/page-4Maybe no pressure isn't always such a good rule....
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ShadowsDad
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Post by ShadowsDad on Nov 12, 2014 0:19:33 GMT -6
Interesting. I don't use it flat, but I also don't use pressure.
Do what works for you.
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Post by birdlives on Nov 12, 2014 4:13:06 GMT -6
I don't use it flat either, but closer to flat than I use the ER 1924. And I don't use pressure with either one.....Hmmm, used the ER 1924 yesterday and today, damn near Perfect Shaves both. I do love the MMOC but this Shovel-Headed Lovely may be one of man's greatest 'Functional Artistic" Achievements along with the Aston-Martin DB7, The Sistine Chapel and maybe the Collected Symphonic Works of Beethoven....theres one or two others.....hmmm, maybe Browning's 1911...
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Post by PJGH on Nov 12, 2014 4:34:35 GMT -6
Featherweights, Pushbuttons, Heavy Flat Tops & Contours absolutely flat to the face.
The guiding eye on the Flying Wing would suggest that the angle can be a little off the face so long as the eye cannot be seen.
I use my Micromatics, like the Flying Wing and the Open Comb, steep, but not flat to the face. That seemed intuitive. I'll try flat next time ...
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Post by mjclark on Nov 12, 2014 7:46:54 GMT -6
Yes I use the OCMM flat to the face and get great results, and it's very well behaved that way too And I too agree that the Shovel Head is the ultimate shaver...
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ShadowsDad
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Post by ShadowsDad on Nov 12, 2014 10:20:54 GMT -6
Definitely the 1911 as well as the rest BL.
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Post by spidey9 on Nov 12, 2014 10:46:47 GMT -6
I'm using a few degrees off flat against the face and no pressure with all my SE's. Of course, I'm new to this and very much still learning. More experimentation is in order. --Bob
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Post by RobinK on Nov 12, 2014 13:58:55 GMT -6
Right. I've been giving this some thought. So here goes... - Modern PTFE blades are too sharp for use. "Stropping" on a palm has been recommended for mitigating purposes.
- Stropping to dull a blade is illogical. Stropping aligns micro chips broken off an edge by whiskers, or removes them completely from the blade.
- Shaving with a cut-throat using too steep an angle will dull the edge. This is the effect one sees when "stropping" on a palm. When using a proper angle (I used a blade gaffer taped to a pencil), stropping an SE blade will restore this edge.
- However, the stropping angle used needs to be slightly steeper than when stropping a cut-throat.
- Hence, it is safe to assume that the angle of the edge is more than 17° (the average found for one face of a cut-throat razor).
- Taking this into consideration, having an SE almost perfectly flat on the face would achieve nothing. The added contour (ie steeper shaving angle) counteracts this effect.
- However, like a cut-throat, an SE benefits from a steeper angle during the WTG (with the grain) pass, whereas shallower angles are called for for the subsequent XTG and ATG (axross and against the grain, respectively) passes.
My, that Bunnahabhain 40 Year Old really is good...
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Post by prometeo on Nov 13, 2014 10:06:05 GMT -6
I not use Micromatic flat. Use angle and pressure but not hurry me because my beard is very hard.
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Post by wchnu on Nov 13, 2014 13:50:25 GMT -6
I run the beast flat. As far as pressure I use very little. I am not sure I can say that I use no pressure though.
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Post by mpf9ret on Dec 24, 2014 3:30:05 GMT -6
Just this week,got back to Flying Wing. With really good lather used it Flat,seemed glued to the face. Very forgiving razor allowing me ,with a sensitive face to polish up with no discomfort-alum not really needed, and this on a GEM [ 7 ].
THUMBS UP FOR FLAT.
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Post by PJGH on Dec 24, 2014 9:30:46 GMT -6
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Post by mjclark on Dec 24, 2014 9:57:13 GMT -6
QED! And there's the correct upper lip technique too.
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Post by PJGH on Dec 24, 2014 13:56:03 GMT -6
I rather like razors that do this. I have a Personna DE, shaped to form the correct shaving angle, which actually feels to stick to your face as you shave; likewise, the Wilkinson Sword Bonded, probably the first cartridge razor. This is where it all began ...
Revisiting the Heavy Flat Top/Natural Angle recently, even the Featherweight, I found that flat to the face really worked out well.
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Post by mpf9ret on Dec 25, 2014 2:32:47 GMT -6
Treated myself to a shave with ER Streamline- guess what for me gives a great shave, when almost flat.Now ready to prepare the Turkey. Giblets out, to make the Gravy. A Norfolk Bronze which should be nice.
Happy Christmas to All Mike
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