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Post by PJGH on Jan 5, 2016 12:44:23 GMT -6
You know the 1914, right? Well, the 12 tooth is just like the 11 tooth ... but it has 12 teeth. It also has lugs fixed to the sides of the baseplate like the 1924 to hold the blade laterally, rather than the sprung clip you're used to with 1914s. Here it is: Same era as those 'Deluxe' Sets we talked about here: theoriginalsafetytoo.com/thread/1996/ready-oddity
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Post by spidey9 on Jan 5, 2016 16:14:07 GMT -6
Great. Now I have to break out all of my 1914's and count the teeth on them. --Bob
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Post by PJGH on Jan 5, 2016 16:42:28 GMT -6
One tell tale sign is that the back of the cap will have the two dots AND a line between them. The other is that the side retaining lugs are fixed to the baseplate like the 1924 rather than sprung under the whole baseplate.
How many '14s do you have, Bob? I'm at 9 now.
Early with stropper handle - Co Inc/Patent Pending [Replated] Early with knurled handle - Co Inc/Patent Pending [Replated] Early with knurled handle - Co Inc/Patented [Replated] Early with knurled handle - Co Inc/Patented [Khaki Set] Medium (nubs for blade stops) with hex handle - Co Inc/Patented [Sport Set] Later style (hooks for blade stops) with hex handle - Co Inc/Patented [Town Set] Later style with hex handle - Corp/Patented [Shaver Grade] Late style (12 tooth) with fluted hex handle - Corp/Patented [Mahoganite] Late style (12 tooth) with hex handle - Corp/Patented [This Set]
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Post by spidey9 on Jan 5, 2016 18:15:32 GMT -6
Below is my most recent 1914, which I believe brings the total to 7 of them. As it turns out, this is one of the 12 tooth versions. I had no idea - I bought it because it was the first 1914 I'd seen in a nickel plated metal case. Shiny! --Bob
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Post by PJGH on Jan 5, 2016 18:52:10 GMT -6
Beautiful! That could be a 'Touring' Set which was launched c.1924. I believe the 12 tooth are the very last of the 1914s and correspond exactly to the 'Test Outfit' razors of 1921 onwards (Star & GEM), essentially a capless 1914, 12 tooth, lugs as part of the baseplate and with the later thread handle. I think your nickel case there will be one of the very last of the 1914s, well into the '20s if not late '20s. Very nice!
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Post by mjclark on Jan 6, 2016 1:16:51 GMT -6
Wow! This just gets deeper and deeper - beautiful collections and a great resource for collectors! Great work all round ?
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Post by prometeo on Jan 6, 2016 4:21:30 GMT -6
Beautiful 1914!!!
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Post by mpf9ret on Jan 8, 2016 6:27:14 GMT -6
Thanks Paul,
Have just had a look at my 1914`s . Out of 5 , one is 12 toothed- must make a note on the case. A bonus as t is also in VGC.
Mike B
PS Used it this am , a great shave.
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Post by RocketMan on Jan 9, 2016 0:03:56 GMT -6
You guys! Now I have to get digging too! Luckily I don't have the numbers some of you guys do so it shouldn't be too hard.
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Post by PJGH on Jan 9, 2016 6:15:15 GMT -6
Here are the 'Test Outfit' razors I mentioned ... essentially, capless 1914s, later thread handles and 12 teeth. They were cheap, stripped down razors given away with packs of blades in the early '20s: for GEM, their "marvellous" Double Life blades; Star, their "marvellous" Cru-Steel blades. I'm going to guess that whichever factory or night shift made these were later consigned to the final runs of the 1914 before it was withdrawn. They settled on the 12 tooth for those last production runs. I'm guessing ...
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Post by mjclark on Jan 12, 2016 11:41:12 GMT -6
So the ER 1914 that I just acquired to go in my "Town Set" case also has 12 teeth, but look at the handle that came with it: And there's no line between the dots on the back of my 12 tooth either... It still amazes me that ASR razors up to 1940 are so variegated - lots of frame, cap and handle variations on the same basic design. This isn't the case with Gillettes from the same period, so I wonder what it's attributable to? Why would there be so many variations in the tooling, like the different numbers of teeth on the ER 1914s, and the shapes of the comb and cap on the 1912s and ER 1924s?
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Post by prometeo on Jan 12, 2016 12:30:13 GMT -6
Este es mi navaja 1914 ... maravilloso!
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Post by PJGH on Jan 12, 2016 17:06:33 GMT -6
I have that handle on an early 'Popular' set, Marcus. Oddly, the inside reads: "Ever Ready Safety Razor Made in USA" in a font larger than I've ever seen and on a squat cap, old comb, old thread.
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Post by fram773 on Jan 12, 2016 22:42:10 GMT -6
Este es mi navaja 1914 ... maravilloso!
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Post by mjclark on Jan 13, 2016 19:05:25 GMT -6
I have that handle on an early 'Popular' set, Marcus. Oddly, the inside reads: "Ever Ready Safety Razor Made in USA" in a font larger than I've ever seen and on a squat cap, old comb, old thread. Hmm - this IS the old smaller thread handle but the head it fits is twelve tooth, so what does that mean?? Attachments:
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