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Post by wchnu on Mar 8, 2012 19:31:57 GMT -6
Simple question that probably does not have a simple answer.
Heavy or light razor;.. what is best for you.
I like the lighter stuff just fine.. can use it great. I seem to usually stick with the 1912 heavy handle tough. Not sure why. So what do the rest think?/
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Post by blobby on Mar 8, 2012 22:26:23 GMT -6
I generally prefer heavier razors such as the MMs or the Streamline but could easily live with a Featherweight or 1912.
Talking of weights, I'm convinced the Bullet tip weighs more than the CP or OC but with out accurate scales I can't confirm that. Anybody know definitively?
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Post by Possum on Mar 9, 2012 4:58:04 GMT -6
I can take either. Really have no preference as to weight. Some of the LCs are lighter than the '12s which are lighter than some of my DEs and I will often follow a DE shave with a couple days of SE shaving. Really what counts is the pressure you use when you shave. Heck, even the BIC Sensitives that I sometimes use while traveling are lighter than most vintage razors and I do just fine with them. What I do like though is a handle that is not so small. My '07 GEM Jr Bar has the short stubby handle but I love the razor. Maybe it is because of the thickness of that wooden handle. I have a '12 GEM travel razor with a shorter handle than most '12s. Do have a bit of a problem handling that razor with the shorter handle.
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Post by HoosierTrooper on Mar 9, 2012 5:31:36 GMT -6
I really don't have a preference. The Schick injectors are very light, while the Streamline is very heavy and I like them both.
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Post by wchnu on Mar 9, 2012 6:46:10 GMT -6
Really what counts is the pressure you use when you shave. Heck, even the BIC Sensitives that I sometimes use while traveling are lighter than most vintage razors and I do just fine with them. . Gawddddd. Don't spread that around.
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Post by ShadowsDad on Mar 9, 2012 10:17:02 GMT -6
I was previously of the opinion that there was no such thing as a razor that was too light for me. Well, I can have too light a razor. My EverReady '06 LC with the tubular handle is way too light IMO. I put a solid handle on it and it made a huge difference.
I've seen razors advertised and their weights tell me that I probably wouldn't enjoy them, but they aren't SE razors. I won't discuss them here beyond this nebulous mention.
Other than the extremes in weight that I mentioned, I can use anything in the SE world so far w/o preference.
As already written the pressure the fingers exert makes more difference, and so does the handle surface. I prefer a handle with "grip" to it. For some reason the Featherweight has that quality for me, as do all razors with sharp knurling or some such surface. If they don't have that grippy surface, but have grooves, then the simple addition of small o-rings improves the grip substantially for me. 3 examples that I can think of are the ER 25/14 with it's smooth handle, and the OCMM and CPMM. A handle with grip makes up for many weight deficiencies of too much or too little (with the noted exceptions).
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Post by razorx on Sept 1, 2012 9:08:32 GMT -6
Heavy: Been there done that didn't enjoy the shave.
There doesn't seem to be as wide a gap between heaviest and lightest SE razor.... as found in the DE universe where it seems that there is a current trend towards heavy razors.
My perception is that as a razor's weight increases it's responsiveness and the feedback it generates decreases.
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Post by ShadowsDad on Sept 1, 2012 12:58:26 GMT -6
<snip> Talking of weights, I'm convinced the Bullet tip weighs more than the CP or OC but with out accurate scales I can't confirm that. Anybody know definitively? My scale is only accurate to 5 grams and all of the MM family weigh the same on it. The balance is different on the bullet tip. Maybe that's what you feel. If you read my review about the MMs you'll see that I mention it also.
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Post by stljeff on Sept 3, 2012 16:34:08 GMT -6
I can take either. Really have no preference as to weight. I'm with Bryce; the weight doesn't seem to matter much to me. I can get as good a shave with the Feather Weight as I can with the heavier models.
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Post by RocketMan on Sept 5, 2012 23:31:41 GMT -6
I appreciate most razors and find it hard to pick preferences.
But, I do find that a light razor allows me to be tied to the blade more intimately.
A light responsive razor, like an early lather catcher, or no heavier than the 1912-1914-1924 styles more easily translate the contours of the skin and provide greater feedback to the hand than do the heavier razors. It isn't that lighter is better than heavier, but there is a different style of shaving the heavier you get.
Heavy razors tend to drive themselves - very little pressure is needed to shave with a heavier item like the MMs or the Streamline/jewel. However, the LCs, the 12s and 14s require more pressure, well pulling actually, to shear the hairs than do the big boys.
So, what do you prefer? Or, do you need to prefer one over the over?? Perhaps it is a different style of using a razor frame. I think some folks like to dance around with different partners, but some prefer a single partner..
Whichever way you lean - dance on!
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Post by wchnu on Sept 6, 2012 1:32:02 GMT -6
I dance with all the gals at the party.
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Post by razorx on Sept 6, 2012 12:21:45 GMT -6
I appreciate most razors and find it hard to pick preferences. But, I do find that a light razor allows me to be tied to the blade more intimately. A light responsive razor, like an early lather catcher, or no heavier than the 1912-1914-1924 styles more easily translate the contours of the skin and provide greater feedback to the hand than do the heavier razors. It isn't that lighter is better than heavier, but there is a different style of shaving the heavier you get. Heavy razors tend to drive themselves - very little pressure is needed to shave with a heavier item like the MMs or the Streamline/jewel. However, the LCs, the 12s and 14s require more pressure, well pulling actually, to shear the hairs than do the big boys. So, what do you prefer? Or, do you need to prefer one over the over?? Perhaps it is a different style of using a razor frame. I think some folks like to dance around with different partners, but some prefer a single partner.. Whichever way you lean - dance on! To be able to be tied to the blade....well said. I want to shave with the blade,the razor's just something that houses the blade.
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Post by johna2231 on Sept 8, 2012 11:37:10 GMT -6
Well, here's some actual weights if anyone's interested.
My scale is for archery: weighing points, broadheads etc. so the increments are in "grains". To give those not familier with this amount 7,000 grains = one pound. I'll do my best to call the razors by the correct name, but you'll have to bare with me.
Silver HFT: 917
OCMM (gold or brass finish) 983
OCMM (gold mostly gone) 998
OCMM silver or chrome finish 1005
OCMM (silver or chrome finish) 1,014
Gem 1912 with "fluted" handle 846
Gem Push Button (silver with black rubber in handle) 718
Gem Push Button (gold with black rubber in handle) 694
SD's Lather Catcher with black finish on the head 810
Gold Ever Ready "flip top" (I think this is a '24 -- hinges on the front of the head where the business edge of the razor is) this one has the "eternal knot" looking handle which probably adds lots to the weight. 1046
Same "flip top" style razor in silver or chrome finish with handle that has raised ridges on it: 931
Bullet Tip Silver color MM 1091
Bullet Tip gold finish (with most of gold finish worn off) 1080
Just for comparison a Merkur Futur bright chrome finish 1870
Anyway, that's what I got for your consideration. Have fun!
John
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Post by razorx on Sept 8, 2012 20:40:23 GMT -6
Well, here's some actual weights if anyone's interested. My scale is for archery: weighing points, broadheads etc. so the increments are in "grains". To give those not familier with this amount 7,000 grains = one pound. I'll do my best to call the razors by the correct name, but you'll have to bare with me. Silver HFT: 917 OCMM (gold or brass finish) 983 OCMM (gold mostly gone) 998 OCMM silver or chrome finish 1005 OCMM (silver or chrome finish) 1,014 Gem 1912 with "fluted" handle 846 Gem Push Button (silver with black rubber in handle) 718 Gem Push Button (gold with black rubber in handle) 694 SD's Lather Catcher with black finish on the head 810 Gold Ever Ready "flip top" (I think this is a '24 -- hinges on the front of the head where the business edge of the razor is) this one has the "eternal knot" looking handle which probably adds lots to the weight. 1046
Same "flip top" style razor in silver or chrome finish with handle that has raised ridges on it: 931Bullet Tip Silver color MM 1091 Bullet Tip gold finish (with most of gold finish worn off) 1080 Just for comparison a Merkur Futur bright chrome finish 1870 Anyway, that's what I got for your consideration. Have fun! John Interesting thanks for posting this John.The 2 handles compared on the '24 surprise me.The '24 attached to the "eternal knot" design handle feels sustantially heavier to me than the one with the raised ridges (I assume you are referring to the short cigarette box style handle) perhaps it's the difference in balance that I'm noticing.
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Post by johna2231 on Sept 8, 2012 22:01:47 GMT -6
Could be. I was really surprised at how much heavier the silver-chrome OCMM was than the gold/brass. That's why I thought this would be cool: actual weights vs impressions and or balance.
John
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