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Post by poppi on May 15, 2017 11:00:10 GMT -6
I'm looking to use a different handle on a couple of my Gem's but they don't have the screw part like the originals do. An example would be that I have a Gem Junior head that I would like to match up with my Scotch & Stowe handle but lack the screw to do it with
I'm pretty sure that someone here knows the thread size and length that I would need to do such a thing and would really appreciate the information.
Thanks in advance and enjoy those shaves.
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Post by wchnu on May 15, 2017 14:29:30 GMT -6
I am pretty sure that it is an outdated size that is no longer available. Some one will come along and sort it out better. I have heard of drilling and tapping the threads in the head of the razor to fit a common size.
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Post by ShadowsDad on May 17, 2017 8:02:18 GMT -6
Yes, wchnu got it exactly correct. Other than having a machinist turn some custom threaded stock for you on a lathe, the dies and taps are no longer made. It'll be expensive to have that done.
Depending on the male thread, hopefully it's modern and on the handle end, you might be able to just rethread the head. If you wind up with 2 female threads get a SS set screw to complete the connection. Take a trip to Home Depot or a hardware store and they'll help you.
I'm fairly certain there's a thread regarding this subject on the forum where we kicked this back and forth quite a bit.
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Post by riverrun on May 17, 2017 14:41:43 GMT -6
I've been looking at handle threads recently. It's all quite confusing. I've read that the smaller thread size is "British Standard Whitworth 5/32 x 24". That's inconvenient as you can't get thread dies for this size anymore. I've also read that the thread size is 8-32, which is probably wrong, or 8-24 which doesn't exist. What's the wisdom on this forum? Has anyone ever found anything that fits or am I on a wild goose chase?
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Post by wchnu on May 17, 2017 14:56:32 GMT -6
I've been looking at handle threads recently. It's all quite confusing. I've read that the smaller thread size is "British Standard Whitworth 5/32 x 24". That's inconvenient as you can't get thread dies for this size anymore. I've also read that the thread size is 8-32, which is probably wrong, or 8-24 which doesn't exist. What's the wisdom on this forum? Has anyone ever found anything that fits or am I on a wild goose chase? It is a size that you can no longer get the dies for. Bob will come through eventually. As I recall he knows more about this.
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Post by riverrun on May 18, 2017 5:17:30 GMT -6
How difficult/expensive can it be to have an M5 to BSW 5/32x24 (or whatever it is) adapter machined? Something like this: The Chinese could do it for a cent I'm sure... I have no idea, but maybe Tom ( twhite) does... Metal, plastic... who cares?
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Post by riverrun on May 18, 2017 5:24:07 GMT -6
On second thought: why would it have to be an exact fit? The thinner bit could be thin enough to pass through the hole in the handle and be secured by a nut from above.
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Post by twhite on May 18, 2017 8:11:06 GMT -6
I will measure up my SE handles this weekend and get some firm sizes for us. I modified a Kindal SE for KarlG last year. It was a bastard size. I ended up tapping the head to a standard 8 or 10 -32. Then I cut the threads off the handle and tapped to the corresponding size on the head. Then just installed a set screw. Bam good to go.
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Post by Electrif on May 18, 2017 8:49:24 GMT -6
On my 1912's, 1924 and Streamline I fit an 8mm M5 grub screw very gently into the head, without over tightening. The M5 thread is the favoured thread for most modern handles. Other people use different techniques, but this one works for me without damaging the head thread. The thread on the 1914 head is smaller and I came up with this temporary solution last year: theoriginalsafety2.com/thread/2151/modern-handle-on-er-1914What would be nice to have is what Andreas posted.
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Post by riverrun on May 18, 2017 10:31:37 GMT -6
On my 1912's, 1924 and Streamline I fit an 8mm M5 grub screw very gently into the head, without over tightening. The M5 thread is the favoured thread for most modern handles. Other people use different techniques, but this one works for me without damaging the head thread. The thread on the 1914 head is smaller and I came up with this temporary solution last year: theoriginalsafety2.com/thread/2151/modern-handle-on-er-1914What would be nice to have is what Andreas posted. I use an M5 grub screw on my 1912 as well... not perfect, but it works - I have some 10-32 ones coming in from China. Nice solution with the Standard Razor - it's what I though of in my last post. Great minds &c... Problem is: I SOLD MY STANDARD RAZOR... - it was a DE after all and had to go!! The screws are sold for $5 for 3 of them - plus another $5 shipping to the UK... maybe as a last resort... What's the thread size on the smaller end? I assume it's metric, so M3x0.5 maybe?
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Post by riverrun on May 18, 2017 10:42:44 GMT -6
I will measure up my SE handles this weekend and get some firm sizes for us. I modified a Kindal SE for KarlG last year. It was a bastard size. I ended up tapping the head to a standard 8 or 10 -32. Then I cut the threads off the handle and tapped to the corresponding size on the head. Then just installed a set screw. Bam good to go. I try to find solutions that avoid tapping the head... I'm actually trying to write an overview of all the ways I can think of to attach a modern handle to a vintage head... (except super glue)...
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Post by wchnu on May 18, 2017 12:28:38 GMT -6
I have no desire to change handles on any of my razors. This is an interesting thread though. I love to see a group of people working together to reach a goal. Now if anyone starts cutting up unmentionable blades for SE's I am digging out the hammer. Well unless its a blade that is not made anymore.
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Post by riverrun on May 18, 2017 12:54:10 GMT -6
I have no desire to change handles on any of my razors. This is an interesting thread though. I love to see a group of people working together to reach a goal. Now if anyone starts cutting up unmentionable blades for SE's I am digging out the hammer. Well unless its a blade that is not made anymore. I need to tread carefully then, as I've done that once... (and it was quite good)
(Edit: I missed a pun there: thread carefully)
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Post by Electrif on May 18, 2017 15:04:45 GMT -6
On my 1912's, 1924 and Streamline I fit an 8mm M5 grub screw very gently into the head, without over tightening. The M5 thread is the favoured thread for most modern handles. Other people use different techniques, but this one works for me without damaging the head thread. The thread on the 1914 head is smaller and I came up with this temporary solution last year: theoriginalsafety2.com/thread/2151/modern-handle-on-er-1914What would be nice to have is what Andreas posted. I use an M5 grub screw on my 1912 as well... not perfect, but it works - I have some 10-32 ones coming in from China. Nice solution with the Standard Razor - it's what I though of in my last post. Great minds &c... Problem is: I SOLD MY STANDARD RAZOR... - it was a DE after all and had to go!! The screws are sold for $5 for 3 of them - plus another $5 shipping to the UK... maybe as a last resort... What's the thread size on the smaller end? I assume it's metric, so M3x0.5 maybe? I never got to the answer to the size of the smaller end thread on the Standard screw adaptor. I did email Standard, but guess what - no reply. I'm guessing at M3 or M4. Trouble is I haven't got the correct sized nut to fit the smaller thread. The one I use 'just' fits. What is the length of the 10-32 ones from China?
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Post by wchnu on May 18, 2017 15:34:13 GMT -6
I have no desire to change handles on any of my razors. This is an interesting thread though. I love to see a group of people working together to reach a goal. Now if anyone starts cutting up unmentionable blades for SE's I am digging out the hammer. Well unless its a blade that is not made anymore. I need to tread carefully then, as I've done that once... (and it was quite good)
(Edit: I missed a pun there: thread carefully)LOL That would have been a good pun. The fact that you caught in an edit makes it count by the way.
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