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Post by wchnu on Dec 10, 2019 12:32:36 GMT -6
I have still not tried one of these. Maybe soon I will. Then again I do have a lot of brushes already.
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Post by brandaves on Dec 10, 2019 13:26:47 GMT -6
I have still not tried one of these. Maybe soon I will. Then again I do have a lot of brushes already. Brushes, like razors, soaps and blades are like Lays potatoe chips. I betcha can't have just one!
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Post by ordinaryshaver on Dec 10, 2019 13:45:24 GMT -6
Good job reviving the thread!
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Post by IschiaPP on Dec 10, 2019 14:16:18 GMT -6
I highly recommend them, even at their regular price. +1 I've recommended the Sagrada Familia with 24mm Tuxedo knot to a friend. He took in Single's Day discount time, at near €5 shipped. For Christmas he said will present me my fav grappa bottle to thank me. He's totally in love.
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Post by TobyC on Dec 10, 2019 14:31:14 GMT -6
Last time I looked there was no boar, but that's OK, I wouldn't want a modern handle anyway.
Do they sell knots, boar in particular?
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Post by TobyC on Dec 10, 2019 14:36:16 GMT -6
I have still not tried one of these. Maybe soon I will. Then again I do have a lot of brushes already. Brushes, like razors, soaps and blades are like Lays potatoe chips. I betcha can't have just one! I had just one for a long time, then I got a vintage one, that changed everything.
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Post by IschiaPP on Dec 10, 2019 15:21:54 GMT -6
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Post by wchnu on Dec 10, 2019 16:48:05 GMT -6
Best boar is from Italy (Omega) or Spain (Semogue). I would have to agree with you here.
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Post by mrconklin on Dec 10, 2019 23:53:45 GMT -6
I personally don't like most synthetics. I have a Muhle Silvertip Fibre that I don't much care for. Too soft, not enough back bone. I've had a plissoft aka too soft, way too soft. To me a lot of the Yaqi knots or other cheap Chinese synths seem more like make up brushes than shaving brushes.
If you look at the forum reviews people that are are really into the synth scene seem to want softness above all else. I have a Jayaruh 210 with an ACE knot, it has a lot more back bone than the Muhle. That makes it a winner for me. It grinds hard soaps into submission, yet doesn't slingshot lather all over.
The Muhle fibers are actually quite nice and probably so are Yaqi. If they could pack them WAY more densely than they do, Simpson Chubby dense, then I think a lot of the synthetics I don't like might be great. I think if I ever buy another synthetic it will be the Chubby. Stories of so much back bone it won't splay, tell me it's a brush I'd like. Brushes with names like smoke and angel hair tell me right up front I will not like them.
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Post by IschiaPP on Dec 11, 2019 3:09:15 GMT -6
I've had a plissoft aka too soft, way too soft. To me a lot of the Yaqi knots or other cheap Chinese synths seem more like make up brushes than shaving brushes. If you look at the forum reviews people that are are really into the synth scene seem to want softness above all else. That's the point. Old synth fibres (Boss, Tuxedo) are wider in the section, therefore more ridig and with greater backbone. (less than boar) The new ones, starting from the old Plissoft, are thinner, natural and soft and derive exactly from the makeup industry. The most modern (Cashmere, Mother Lode) are very thin, very soft, with a more homogeneous stem geometry in the thinning phase, and this allows a very high density. Therefore greater foaming capacity, maximum sweetness (even too much in the factory settings, too long), but poor backbone. My two favorite synthetics, since I have a very reactive dermatitis, are Cashmere and Mother Lode. Where the first (more balanced) I find a good setting at 24x50mm, in the second (really soft, like a plush) I have to get to 28x50mm. However, in different ways, both have exceptional qualities in producing foam. No problem even with triple-milled hard soaps. For me they are the same, and I usually choose them with two parameters: 1. Speed (Cashmere) 2. Complexity (Mother Lode) The second view the incomparable density, with very complex soaps that require a lot of water and a lot of mechanical work, offers better results. So in general, for those who like a brush with a good backbone, in today's world it is better to stop at the old synthetic fibers. Not exactly like a boar but similar, but the old Omega S-Brush can be a good choice. Also thanks to the high cost-effectiveness.
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Post by mrconklin on Dec 11, 2019 8:06:00 GMT -6
I've had a plissoft aka too soft, way too soft. To me a lot of the Yaqi knots or other cheap Chinese synths seem more like make up brushes than shaving brushes. If you look at the forum reviews people that are are really into the synth scene seem to want softness above all else. That's the point. Old synth fibres (Boss, Tuxedo) are wider in the section, therefore more ridig and with greater backbone. (less than boar) So in general, for those who like a brush with a good backbone, in today's world it is better to stop at the old synthetic fibers. Not exactly like a boar but similar, but the old Omega S-Brush can be a good choice. Also thanks to the high cost-effectiveness. Funny too how boar seams like a board until you get it wet, then if the loft is too high, it becomes much more like a paint brush. Different than the synthetics though because the boar fibers absorb a lot of water and thus carry a lot of weight compared to synthetics. So a much heavier paint brush than a synthetic. I guess you are right, for those with skin conditions requiring soft brushes or those that like that rank softness very high, the newer synthetics are good. I'll stick with the old outdated ones or ones packed very tightly. Tightly packed with a short loft. It's also strange, the size of some synthetic knots. Is it because plastic is so cheap compared to badger that 28 and 30 mm knots are common place, or does it actually make for a better brush with synthetics. I think it's a little of both. I can't see most synthetics being good in a 19mm knot. If they lack backbone at 26mm, they must really lack it at 19mm. The more synthetics I use, the more I appreciate what mother nature provides.
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Post by IschiaPP on Dec 11, 2019 9:13:13 GMT -6
If they lack backbone at 26mm, they must really lack it at 19mm. In creating a brush, tuft settings are important. But with synthetics, especially those of the latest generation, they are crucial. For my needs, I thank the synthetics that can overcome the limits of Mother Nature (just look at the q/p ratio of much denser and thinner products, compared to the best SHD HMW world production), and for this I have tried so many ... basically everyone on the soft side. After a while, I stopped buying prepackaged brushes. Precisely because of the setup problem, too long for how they are made in the factory. Now many companies offer the free custom setup, and this helps a lot. (q/p) Even with older fibers, a different setting and more shifted to the short on the new ones, really offers very different and superior performance. The previous specifications are the result of this experience.
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Post by ordinaryshaver on Dec 11, 2019 10:17:52 GMT -6
So no goofy old blue or black handled Early 90s styled Gillette branded synthetic brushes? Got it!
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Post by mrconklin on Dec 11, 2019 10:29:30 GMT -6
So no goofy old blue or black handled Early 90s styled Gillette branded synthetic brushes? Got it! Well, those would probably have fibers I like.
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Post by IschiaPP on Dec 11, 2019 10:37:30 GMT -6
So no goofy old blue or black handled Early 90s styled Gillette branded synthetic brushes? Got it! Well, those would probably have fibers I like. Those white fibre synth was the first gen, called Syntex. I have one, and is soft ... but in oddly manner. www.ilrasoio.com/viewtopic.php?p=284007#p284007
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