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Post by jayaruh on Aug 20, 2019 13:09:38 GMT -6
Wow! You are right.I tried it on three different razors. I ended up breaking one of the ears. After that, I was able to load it. I can see that it is a bit wider on the edge end. That made it hard to load. I only tried the first blade I took out. So, I do not know about the rest. I did notice that the blades are not marked with the Enders name or logo. Maybe they are seconds so something.
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Post by Flintstone on Aug 20, 2019 14:14:24 GMT -6
Jim ( jayaruh ), quick question for you...have you tried loading any of those PIF'd blades in your Enders, either as backer blades or just "as is"? I set out to use them today and found what appears to be some extra metal that may have been left over from when they were pressed/cut out of the sheet steel. Basically, the blades don't fit well in my Enders (I've tried on two different ones), and after snapping off an "ear" on one of the blades, I finally got smart and compared it to a blade that came with one of my Enders. The non-PIF'd blade is slightly heavier/sturdier than the PIF'd blade, and it's obvious on my comparison that the PIF'd ones have some ancillary metal from production. Are you seeing any of this? I should've taken a pic, but I can do it later if yours look okay. So far, I find modifying GEMs for things like Autostrops and some Lather Catchers to be easier than dealing with the Enders. I have not. I am off for testing now. Understood -- me too, for now...at least as far as the Enders goes.
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Post by jmudrick on Aug 21, 2019 12:31:10 GMT -6
Weird. I'll try mine when I get home.
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Post by Flintstone on Aug 21, 2019 13:01:49 GMT -6
Wow! You are right.I tried it on three different razors. I ended up breaking one of the ears. After that, I was able to load it. I can see that it is a bit wider on the edge end. That made it hard to load. I only tried the first blade I took out. So, I do not know about the rest. I did notice that the blades are not marked with the Enders name or logo. Maybe they are seconds so something. Thanks Jim, I thought I was going crazy! And yes, aside from the blade missing the Enders name and/or logo, I feel like the blade is thinner....and mine definitely has some extra material making it just a little too wide.
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Post by jmudrick on Aug 21, 2019 14:01:06 GMT -6
They seem to fit a little better in my Razor then my Shaver where they jammed removing them but that could be a matter of technique. They are quite unlike the other blades I have, I have my doubts about them.
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Post by Flintstone on Aug 22, 2019 16:20:44 GMT -6
Well, today was not my day to debut an Enders...I have tried loading a (from Japan) Proline B-20 blade over 10 times now, and I am officially exasperated. I've watched two videos (one from by jayaruh and one by a friend who took the time to actually video himself loading and unloading an Enders multiple times). The first unsuccessful (and frustrating attempt) was a couple of days ago, that's when I tried the infamous PIF'd blades and broke an ear on the 2nd attempt. Then I decided to use an Enders blade that fits and is sturdy (turns out I have ONLY one); it has the Greyhound image on it. That blade fits great in all of my Enders (yep, I've got several and I haven't been able to load one successfully yet)! But then I noticed that the Proline blade (which I was placing in first, kept bowing...as if IT was too large for the opening. Perhaps I was sliding the blade in too close to the guard (or too low)? In any case, I got it to work ONCE, yay, let's shave!!!! And that's when I drop the razor from a height of maybe an inch, and the Proline blade just popped out of the razor, pretty as you please. So I'm going to count to 10,000 and use an unmentionable. I hear these are amazing razors, and people I know who can't fathom why and how I can de-spine a GEM blade will use these razors with a Proline blade all day long, but I am apparently going to have to put the videos on half-speed, amp up the magnification on my reading glasses, and see if I can spot the "magic" (or more likely my own incompetent techqique) and try, try again)!!!
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Post by jayaruh on Aug 22, 2019 17:15:54 GMT -6
Well, today was not my day to debut an Enders...I have tried loading a (from Japan) Proline B-20 blade over 10 times now, and I am officially exasperated. I've watched two videos (one from by jayaruh and one by a friend who took the time to actually video himself loading and unloading an Enders multiple times). The first unsuccessful (and frustrating attempt) was a couple of days ago, that's when I tried the infamous PIF'd blades and broke an ear on the 2nd attempt. Then I decided to use an Enders blade that fits and is sturdy (turns out I have ONLY one); it has the Greyhound image on it. That blade fits great in all of my Enders (yep, I've got several and I haven't been able to load one successfully yet)! But then I noticed that the Proline blade (which I was placing in first, kept bowing...as if IT was too large for the opening. Perhaps I was sliding the blade in too close to the guard (or too low)? In any case, I got it to work ONCE, yay, let's shave!!!! And that's when I drop the razor from a height of maybe an inch, and the Proline blade just popped out of the razor, pretty as you please. So I'm going to count to 10,000 and use an unmentionable. I hear these are amazing razors, and people I know who can't fathom why and how I can de-spine a GEM blade will use these razors with a Proline blade all day long, but I am apparently going to have to put the videos on half-speed, amp up the magnification on my reading glasses, and see if I can spot the "magic" (or more likely my own incompetent techqique) and try, try again)!!! Wow, Fred. What a story. I enjoyed reading it. Wish you had caught it all on video. I am planning on using my Enders next week with the piffed blade. I may have to take the Dremel to it to get a good fit.
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Post by jmudrick on Aug 22, 2019 20:16:43 GMT -6
Well, today was not my day to debut an Enders...I have tried loading a (from Japan) Proline B-20 blade over 10 times now, and I am officially exasperated. I've watched two videos (one from by jayaruh and one by a friend who took the time to actually video himself loading and unloading an Enders multiple times). The first unsuccessful (and frustrating attempt) was a couple of days ago, that's when I tried the infamous PIF'd blades and broke an ear on the 2nd attempt. Then I decided to use an Enders blade that fits and is sturdy (turns out I have ONLY one); it has the Greyhound image on it. That blade fits great in all of my Enders (yep, I've got several and I haven't been able to load one successfully yet)! But then I noticed that the Proline blade (which I was placing in first, kept bowing...as if IT was too large for the opening. Perhaps I was sliding the blade in too close to the guard (or too low)? In any case, I got it to work ONCE, yay, let's shave!!!! And that's when I drop the razor from a height of maybe an inch, and the Proline blade just popped out of the razor, pretty as you please. So I'm going to count to 10,000 and use an unmentionable. I hear these are amazing razors, and people I know who can't fathom why and how I can de-spine a GEM blade will use these razors with a Proline blade all day long, but I am apparently going to have to put the videos on half-speed, amp up the magnification on my reading glasses, and see if I can spot the "magic" (or more likely my own incompetent techqique) and try, try again)!!! Hmm that's a shame. I haven't seen the Proline bowing in any of the five Enders I've loaded. I feel your pain
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Post by Flintstone on Aug 22, 2019 20:56:05 GMT -6
Thanks guys. Let me ask you both ( jayaruh and jmudrick) a couple quick questions: 1. Jmudrick, I know you mentioned not having an issue with Prolines fitting in your razors. Jim have you ever had an issue with the Prolines fitting without modification? Do they fit absolutely perfectly (no wiggle room at all?) that have to be sort of wedge into place, or do they just fall into place with a little wiggle room? 2. Do you load the blades simultaneously (both the backer and proline together) or place the Proline in first and then load the backer or vice-versa? Any tips would be greatly appreciated. I am 98% sure it's my ineptness at this task and not the razor or blades (at least not the original Enders blades and Proline, the PIF blades are what they are). Thanks again for the support. I'm going to try again soon -- I think I may be loading the Proline in the wrong vertical position (too high or low, as the case may be)....I suspect Proline placement is the key.
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Post by jayaruh on Aug 23, 2019 5:59:29 GMT -6
Thanks guys. Let me ask you both ( jayaruh and jmudrick ) a couple quick questions: 1. Jmudrick, I know you mentioned not having an issue with Prolines fitting in your razors. Jim have you ever had an issue with the Prolines fitting without modification? Do they fit absolutely perfectly (no wiggle room at all?) that have to be sort of wedge into place, or do they just fall into place with a little wiggle room? 2. Do you load the blades simultaneously (both the backer and proline together) or place the Proline in first and then load the backer or vice-versa? Any tips would be greatly appreciated. I am 98% sure it's my ineptness at this task and not the razor or blades (at least not the original Enders blades and Proline, the PIF blades are what they are). Thanks again for the support. I'm going to try again soon -- I think I may be loading the Proline in the wrong vertical position (too high or low, as the case may be)....I suspect Proline placement is the key. Check out this video starting at about 1:40 if you want to skip ahead. My preferred way now is with my modified Enders Carrier blade with the bumps. With it, I can load the blades simaltaniously. In the next video, I show the bumps and then the backer blade that I super glued in. The bumps work great, but the backer blade eventually fell off with use. Sometimes the injector blade may be too long and is a tight fit.
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Post by Flintstone on Aug 23, 2019 7:00:16 GMT -6
Thanks guys. Let me ask you both ( jayaruh and jmudrick ) a couple quick questions: 1. Jmudrick, I know you mentioned not having an issue with Prolines fitting in your razors. Jim have you ever had an issue with the Prolines fitting without modification? Do they fit absolutely perfectly (no wiggle room at all?) that have to be sort of wedge into place, or do they just fall into place with a little wiggle room? 2. Do you load the blades simultaneously (both the backer and proline together) or place the Proline in first and then load the backer or vice-versa? Any tips would be greatly appreciated. I am 98% sure it's my ineptness at this task and not the razor or blades (at least not the original Enders blades and Proline, the PIF blades are what they are). Thanks again for the support. I'm going to try again soon -- I think I may be loading the Proline in the wrong vertical position (too high or low, as the case may be)....I suspect Proline placement is the key. Check out this video starting at about 1:40 if you want to skip ahead. My preferred way now is with my modified Enders Carrier blade with the bumps. With it, I can load the blades simaltaniously. In the next video, I show the bumps and then the backer blade that I super glued in. The bumps work great, but the backer blade eventually fell off with use. Sometimes the injector blade may be too long and is a tight fit. Thanks, Jim -- this is very helpful. I've tried again and I'm starting to believe that my Proline is just too wide. Every video I've seen shows folks just laying their blade in place and sliding the backer blade under in under it, and the Proline comes forward. I spent some time this morning after watching your first video trying to load it, and the Proline won't load without bowing, or it won't come forward at all...even with the backer blade pushing in under it....just seems too tight. I've ruined the edge of my "practice" Proline, so I'm going to step away from this razor and tackle it after a little time has passed. So after a "cooling off" period, I'll try it with a new Proline and if I get the same result, I'll dremel/grind/sand the Proline sides down a bit. I may take a pic of it and post it here. My Proline (like the Enders PIF'd blade) appears to have extra material after the curved corners where the bevel ends. Thanks again for the help....I want to make a "permanent" backer blade, but first I'd like to get a shave with it while I can adjust the blade.
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Post by jmudrick on Aug 23, 2019 7:53:27 GMT -6
I sure hope it's not a new production spec for the Prolines...when and from where did you get them? Mine are from Rakuten about a year ago.
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Post by Flintstone on Aug 23, 2019 13:07:50 GMT -6
I sure hope it's not a new production spec for the Prolines...when and from where did you get them? Mine are from Rakuten about a year ago. Mine are from Rakuten -- about 3-4 weeks ago.
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Post by jmudrick on Aug 23, 2019 13:11:42 GMT -6
I sure hope it's not a new production spec for the Prolines...when and from where did you get them? Mine are from Rakuten about a year ago. Mine are from Rakuten -- about 3-4 weeks ago. Yikes.
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Post by Flintstone on Aug 23, 2019 13:16:48 GMT -6
Mine are from Rakuten -- about 3-4 weeks ago. Yikes. Moment of truth....here are two pics of my blades. Note the little squared out bulge at the right and left of the blade....does yours have that as well. I think it's what is catching on my Enders.
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