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Post by wchnu on Sept 21, 2019 20:37:28 GMT -6
The more I think about it the more I am not a fan of a lot of the new fangled SE thingies. Mostly I mean the ones that use blades other then the GEM or Valet style.
I thought I would be ok with the Eco with the half unmentionable blade. The more I think about it the more I am not a fan. I get the whole ease of finding a blade thing. Still all in all......blah.
The TNNSER 3D uses traditional styling and blades with a new style of production. It stays true to the more traditional SE style and blades. I am a fan!!
Maybe just rattling here...but .....blah.
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Post by jayaruh on Sept 22, 2019 5:23:23 GMT -6
I am not ready to jump on the half unmentionable blade type razors either. Rattle, rattle, ...
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ShadowsDad
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Post by ShadowsDad on Sept 22, 2019 7:08:35 GMT -6
I must admit that I never used one.
How do they get rid of the detestable blade flexing? The lack of flexing is probably the major reason I like SE so much. I have unmentionables that I liked in the past, but frankly I haven't used one in years.
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mlb549
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Post by mlb549 on Sept 22, 2019 8:21:29 GMT -6
I tend to agree, but Joe thinks I need to try one---he sent it out yesterday---sooooo, I'll try it!!
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TobyC
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Post by TobyC on Sept 22, 2019 19:51:28 GMT -6
I enjoy using things that are old,... nostalgia, history,... new stuff has no charisma, no allure,...
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Post by andy914 on Sept 23, 2019 19:11:24 GMT -6
New stuff is ugly... and stay off my lawn! 😆
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rayr
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Post by rayr on Sept 23, 2019 19:36:35 GMT -6
What's the deal with "blade flexing"? That's not something I've ever noticed or had a problem with I guess. I can get a very nice shave with an unmentionable or an SE. I like and use them both and have enough of both that shows my affection and it keeps growing it seems. I don't have much interest in new fangled thingies of either camp, I do have a half dozen or so modern unmentionables but no modern SE's. I just really enjoy the vintage more.
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TobyC
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Post by TobyC on Sept 23, 2019 20:46:27 GMT -6
What's the deal with "blade flexing"? That's not something I've ever noticed or had a problem with I guess. I can get a very nice shave with an unmentionable or an SE. I like and use them both and have enough of both that shows my affection and it keeps growing it seems. I don't have much interest in new fangled thingies of either camp, I do have a half dozen or so modern unmentionables but no modern SE's. I just really enjoy the vintage more. Many unmentionable razors both new and old have a problem with lack of blade support, mostly poorly designed new stuff. SE blades are stiff enough to stand alone but DE blades need to be firmly clamped as close to the shaving edge as possible because they are thin and flexible. Blade chatter and uncomfortable shaving happen if the blade is not held firmly between the cap and baseplate.
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ShadowsDad
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Post by ShadowsDad on Sept 23, 2019 21:51:00 GMT -6
Blade flexing is easily felt if one allows an unmentionable to get dull and continues to shave with it. It will be felt as it digs into the skin. It's a result of the blade stopping as it flexes and that produces a cut since it's no longer gliding over the skin. But that's an extreme case. Contrast that with a SE blade that can be used until it gets too dull to shave with efficiently. It never flexes and never bites.
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rayr
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Post by rayr on Sept 24, 2019 7:37:29 GMT -6
OK guys, I've never used a razor new or vintage that didn't hold a blade firmly (I'd call that a defective razor if it didn't clamp down tight) or had too great of a blade exposure to cause that, and I pretty much know where my limits are with different type of blades so I don't try to push it till it gets too dull to use. I haven't heard anybody having a problem with the ECO, so I guess it must hold those half blades down tight and blade flexing is not an issue. Maybe I'll have the opportunity to try one sometime, but its not on my list of priorities at present.
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Post by wchnu on Oct 14, 2019 2:35:47 GMT -6
OK guys, I've never used a razor new or vintage that didn't hold a blade firmly (I'd call that a defective razor if it didn't clamp down tight) or had too great of a blade exposure to cause that, and I pretty much know where my limits are with different type of blades so I don't try to push it till it gets too dull to use. I haven't heard anybody having a problem with the ECO, so I guess it must hold those half blades down tight and blade flexing is not an issue. Maybe I'll have the opportunity to try one sometime, but its not on my list of priorities at present. One of the guys across the street is sending a ECO for me to try. We will see how that goes.
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Post by Flintstone on Oct 14, 2019 9:11:18 GMT -6
I'll admit to being intrigued by the ECO...but I just wasn't a fan of the Starling (which at least uses a GEM blade), and I've never even tried an AC-style razor. My "boundaries" are still forming, but I have developed some internal-guiding-principles: 1. I'm more open to vintage razors. I like the history, the materials and the workmanship/craftsmanship that went into them. I like some more than others, but even the ones that don't win me over entirely still get used as a "heritage" tool. 2. I don't really need any more blade types. This has put the Artist Club blades out of bounds -- at least for a while. They probably shave great, and some of the razors that use them are visually appealing to me, but I've got Injectors (Chicks, Proline B's, Japanese Twins), GEMs (Treets, GEM SS PTFE, PAL Blues), and then some NOS Valet blades for the Autostrops -- not to mention all of the modified GEMs to use in the Eagle LC, and early Autostrops. Too....many....blades. Oh and of course, the Wedge blades, which I'm hoping to get to a point where I can happily use them in their respective Lather Catchers. So while I'm intrigued by the RR Hawk, I'm passing on that Pass-Around. 3. I am interested in unique and unusual razors (modern or vintage), but the modern's performance needs to REALLY resonate with me. Take the Starling and the TNNSER3D -- both are modern, but I had truly opposite reactions to each. The Starling's optimal angle felt difficult for me to find and hold, and I just never had an outstanding shave from it...I could get a good shave, but the razor and I never clicked. The TNNSER3D was love at first shave. The angle was easy to find, the razor was simple to maneuver, and I've had an outstanding shave every time. I could easily use this razor as a daily shaver, and while I was happy to return the Starling to it's owner, you would have to pry the TNNSER3D from my cold-dead-hands (as the saying goes). Also, the TNNSER3D design (much like the hopefully-coming-soon TASER) is really creative, and that's another big plus. So I'm interested in the ECO -- I have unmentionable blades, so there's no ancillary equipment to buy, and I've heard good things from folks I respect. And it just so happens that one is coming my way from a friend on another forum. But I'm not sure I'll be posting about mine here. I don't have a problem with any Single Edge safety razor showing up on this forum (and that includes the ECO), but (and this is a personal decision) there's something about the ECO that doesn't quite say "SE" to me....I think it's the half-unmentionable blade. Maybe I'll change my mind and be raving about it here and posting in the SOTD; but my gut reaction is to try it, and if I like it, I'll figure out if (for me personally) it is an SE in "my head" or if it just "feels" like more of an unmentionable -- in which case I'll probably just use it quietly or post about it in unmentionable forums. That's my take -- and gee ( wchnu ) Fuzzy, I hope the forum company doesn't charge you by the word, otherwise I've probably used up most of the month with this post . Remember, when it comes to me -- if a picture is worth a 1,000 words; Fred's thoughts are like a dozen or so pictures.
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Post by mrconklin on Oct 14, 2019 16:09:06 GMT -6
I think any flexing of the blade has to do with how the blade is clamped in the head of the razor and some of the unmentionables are clamped far from the cutting edge or are not clamped all that tightly.
I can’t speak to other razors that use unmentionable blades but the Focus razor clamps the blade very close to the edge. There is no chatter or flexing which can be a problem in some unmentionables especially if trying to shave against the grain.
I like the Focus because it’s a nicely made razor of a nice design which in my mind is no different than my Gem or my Injector, they are nicely made and designed as well. To me shaving is about the shave I don’t think a vintage or new razor necessarily shaves better than the other and I find both enjoyable to use.
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Post by IschiaPP on Oct 16, 2019 16:15:00 GMT -6
I've tried the SHaDE type razor. When I used It, my feelings was not ... sunny.
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Post by wchnu on Oct 16, 2019 20:22:11 GMT -6
I've tried the SHaDE type razor. When I used It, my feelings was not ... sunny. That right there is funny.
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