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Post by terstation on Nov 28, 2019 17:12:10 GMT -6
Today's new is tomorrows old. There's going to be a Fuzzy the Third decades from now shaving with a Blackland Razors Sabre complaining the newer stuff is just not traditional enough. Exactly. If something works and it appeals to you, then more power to you. I prefer the shave old vintage razors give me and really like the history behind them. Modern razors work fine and I have favorites there also. It all comes down to the fact that a blade and a razor without any defects can do the job. If the asthetics of a razor get you to wet shave over the history and craftsmanship it is still better than using modern carts. To each their own I say.
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Post by IschiaPP on Nov 28, 2019 17:21:36 GMT -6
... I think the "short" handles are perfect Longer the handle, more control on the angle. It's Physics. More efficient at what? Why does it matter if it's lighter with the same strength? Efficient about Physics: 1. easier workable 2. better q/p final product 3. possible to have balace In steel / brass / titanium / copper / ecc It's not possible. Specific weight of the metal give way greater ratio head : handle. With aluminium It's available 1:1. Others start at about 1:2 with a normal 13x85-90mm handle. Bigger ones go easily to 1:3-4 ... This decrease control on the short-fast moves of the cutting edge. Specially ATG. Physics. PS: Old razors is difficult to find different handles. New ones use standard thread, so It's easier.
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Post by riverrun on Nov 28, 2019 17:26:43 GMT -6
I don't mind new razors as such. After all - the Bunny and the TNNSER, for example, are good razors. Some injectors I have are younger than me, so they are obviously modern. However: Most modern razors get it wrong. Feather Artist Club blades are too wide, half flimsy blade razors have no appeal, most others are designed by people who understand unmentionables and base the design on those. There are too many vintage razors that I would like to try and that only cost a fraction of what modern stainless steel ones cost. To sum it up: Vintage almost all the way, with a few exceptions and I keep an open mind.
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Post by IschiaPP on Nov 28, 2019 17:37:52 GMT -6
Feather Artist Club blades are too wide ... most others are designed by people who understand unmentionables and base the design on those. For me AC width is a plus. Less passes to get the job done. Thicker the metal, larger the blade clamping, less vibration. Edge angle is sharper, and last models have guards. Better methallurgy allows very narrow blade. So better angle engeneering, with less head volume. Geometry is totally different with unmentionables. All this brings to better shaves. Easier BBS, more comfortable and durable.
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Post by TobyC on Nov 28, 2019 18:58:50 GMT -6
TobyC Most of the classic SE razors are short handled, with big head ... because of the blade. New ones has longer handles, with more comfort. Vintage mostly has made of brass. New materials (aluminium, 3D printed resin) are more efficient. Can be lighter, with the same strenght. Old school heavy metals can not provide good balance with a nice elonged shape. Just finished a test on the V2 AISI 316L of my champion. theoriginalsafety2.com/post/74096/threadI had to try different handles to lay down weight to gain balance. And the problem is not the project, but the choosen material. Unefficient !!! I never met a handle I didn't like, long or short, heavy or light, and I felt perfectly comfortable using them all. I'm not into the weight/balance calculations and such, this is just shaving after all. Technique trumps all. I would prefer the original handles designed for the razor, but mixing and matching is cool too, just to play around. "New materials (aluminium, 3D printed resin) are more efficient. Can be lighter, with the same strenght." So what does that mean? More efficient at what? Why does it matter if it's lighter with the same strength? ""New materials (aluminium, 3D printed resin) are more efficient. Can be lighter, with the same strenght." So what does that mean? More efficient at what? Why does it matter if it's lighter with the same strength? " Makes no sense to me, I don't care about the weight, vintage SE razors aren't exactly sledgehammers, they are plenty strong, and very efficient at shaving. If it ain't brass, it has no class!
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Post by Flintstone on Nov 28, 2019 19:01:13 GMT -6
To sum it up: Vintage almost all the way, with a few exceptions and I keep an open mind. THIS captures my feelings on the subject perfectly.
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Post by TobyC on Nov 28, 2019 19:08:19 GMT -6
... I think the "short" handles are perfect Longer the handle, more control on the angle. It's Physics. More efficient at what? Why does it matter if it's lighter with the same strength? Efficient about Physics: 1. easier workable 2. better q/p final product 3. possible to have balace In steel / brass / titanium / copper / ecc It's not possible. Specific weight of the metal give way greater ratio head : handle. With aluminium It's available 1:1. Others start at about 1:2 with a normal 13x85-90mm handle. Bigger ones go easily to 1:3-4 ... This decrease control on the short-fast moves of the cutting edge. Specially ATG. Physics. PS: Old razors is difficult to find different handles. New ones use standard thread, so It's easier. Fiction my friend. Shorter handles are more maneuverable, like a 911 compared to a hearse. I like a balance point about an inch below the blade, better control and balance. Long handles are for leg shavers and unmentionable throwaways. .
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Post by rayr on Nov 28, 2019 19:12:08 GMT -6
... I think the "short" handles are perfect Longer the handle, more control on the angle. It's Physics. More efficient at what? Why does it matter if it's lighter with the same strength? Efficient about Physics: 1. easier workable 2. better q/p final product 3. possible to have balace In steel / brass / titanium / copper / ecc It's not possible. Specific weight of the metal give way greater ratio head : handle. With aluminium It's available 1:1. Others start at about 1:2 with a normal 13x85-90mm handle. Bigger ones go easily to 1:3-4 ... This decrease control on the short-fast moves of the cutting edge. Specially ATG. Physics. PS: Old razors is difficult to find different handles. New ones use standard thread, so It's easier. It all sounds like trying to apply rocket science to shaving. Trying to justify new solutions to problems that don't exist.
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Post by TobyC on Nov 28, 2019 19:17:53 GMT -6
Feather Artist Club blades are too wide ... most others are designed by people who understand unmentionables and base the design on those. For me AC width is a plus. Less passes to get the job done. Thicker the metal, larger the blade clamping, less vibration. Edge angle is sharper, and last models have guards. Better methallurgy allows very narrow blade. So better angle engeneering, with less head volume. Geometry is totally different with unmentionables. All this brings to better shaves. Easier BBS, more comfortable and durable. So we should all be using aluminum or plastic razors with extra wide blades? Hell no! you're in some fantasy land.
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Post by ordinaryshaver on Nov 28, 2019 21:05:19 GMT -6
Gentleman, let's keep it civil remember, at least we all like SE raozrs and are really all on the same team. ..... Admin
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Post by ShadowsDad on Nov 28, 2019 23:21:01 GMT -6
I voted no strong feelings, but I like that there are new SE razors being made.
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Post by riverrun on Nov 29, 2019 3:08:30 GMT -6
PS: Old razors is difficult to find different handles. New ones use standard thread, so It's easier. razors.click/Handles/
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Post by IschiaPP on Nov 29, 2019 3:30:47 GMT -6
Long handles are for leg shavers and unmentionable throwaways. . Previous decades show a different story. First SE was with long handle. It's History. It all sounds like trying to apply rocket science to shaving. Trying to justify new solutions to problems that don't exist. Just Science. BTW before trying different solutions, I had problems. So we should all be using aluminum or plastic razors with extra wide blades? Lots of users now have this kind of razors, and comments are good. ... we all like SE razors and are really all on the same team. That's the point. Bravo.
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Post by wchnu on Nov 29, 2019 4:11:47 GMT -6
Does using newer stuff give better shaves?
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Post by rayr on Nov 29, 2019 8:47:24 GMT -6
Does using newer stuff give better shaves? I wouldn't know Fuzzy, I'm not a physicist, but I'll go out on a limb and guess not. Nobody told my razors that they are inefficient because their handles are too short, or their head and blades are too narrow, or the blade is moving around in the razor because the head isn't clamping down on the blade hard enough, or they are made of the wrong materials to provide some perfect head/handle balance. I guess I should be having all kinds or problems shaving and possibly need to spend hundreds of dollars on new fangled scientifically correct thingies. I personally won't but I firmly believe that the power of the free market provides as many choices as possible for Individuals as God intended and I reject any one size fits all schemes.
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