rayr
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Post by rayr on May 12, 2020 6:34:54 GMT -6
Fuzzy, I won't ask to be deleted from TOST because of your insulting remarks about bowl latherers. I'm not the sensitive type. That reminds me I need to have a good bowl lathering rant soon in a video. There are new people that might not have been offended yet!!! Have at it Fuzzy, you are the Don Rickles of YouTube shavers. "I'm always afraid that somewhere out there, there is one person in the audience that I'm not going to offend!" — Don Rickles
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Post by wchnu on May 13, 2020 1:09:42 GMT -6
That reminds me I need to have a good bowl lathering rant soon in a video. There are new people that might not have been offended yet!!! Have at it Fuzzy, you are the Don Rickles of YouTube shavers. "I'm always afraid that somewhere out there, there is one person in the audience that I'm not going to offend!" — Don Rickles Sometimes you just have to work harder at it, LOL.
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TobyC
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Old stick in the mud.
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Post by TobyC on May 13, 2020 6:10:14 GMT -6
Comes natural to me, no effort at all.
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Post by twhite on May 14, 2020 8:35:12 GMT -6
Will it appears that one of my coworkers wife has contracted Covid. We found out this morning. Now to see how the company handles it. My coworker obviously is not working now.
This is the first person I personally know that has come in contact with it.
I will keep you posted.
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Post by Tony'schin on May 14, 2020 10:28:21 GMT -6
Will it appears that one of my coworkers wife has contracted Covid. We found out this morning. Now to see how the company handles it. My coworker obviously is not working now. This is the first person I personally know that has come in contact with it. I will keep you posted. Sad news Tom, I hope he and his family get through this, one of my staff managed to get both her husband and son through it, however, it was terrifying for her. They are in my thoughts bud. T
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Post by Petrvs on May 21, 2020 13:27:35 GMT -6
Will it appears that one of my coworkers wife has contracted Covid. We found out this morning. Now to see how the company handles it. My coworker obviously is not working now. This is the first person I personally know that has come in contact with it. I will keep you posted. Sorry for the news Tom, hope your coworker's wife gets well soon, and that no one else has contracted it...wish I could say that I personally know only one person to have contracted it, but the reality is that not only I know many who contracted it, but also a lot of people I know have lost a loved one to this damn bug...a coworker lost her father, a friend of mine lost his grandpa and I lost my uncle...may them all rest in peace.
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Post by twhite on May 22, 2020 10:20:03 GMT -6
Thanks. My co worker now has it.
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Post by jayaruh on May 22, 2020 12:29:39 GMT -6
Thanks. My co worker now has it. Sorry to hear that. Keep your distance, man.
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Post by twhite on May 22, 2020 13:03:18 GMT -6
Thanks. My co worker now has it. Sorry to hear that. Keep your distance, man. I do lucky I work with just one other guy in my area. He is on the other side of the shop.
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Post by wchnu on May 23, 2020 10:36:56 GMT -6
Sorry to hear that. Keep your distance, man. I do lucky I work with just one other guy in my area. He is on the other side of the shop. Nice to be a loner at times eh?
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Post by twhite on May 23, 2020 11:00:25 GMT -6
I do lucky I work with just one other guy in my area. He is on the other side of the shop. Nice to be a loner at times eh? I find it good most of the time.
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ShadowsDad
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Post by ShadowsDad on May 23, 2020 12:17:45 GMT -6
I got this email the other day. Many talking heads promote fear, possibly even get off on it, maybe this will help push the fear back. And don't forget, C19 is NOT a death sentence. Lots of folks have it, have had it, had it and never knew they had it, and survived. If one has no underlying medical issues the odds are huge that you'll survive just fine. I had it, being at double risk for death, and I did fine. So relax, the odds are that even you contract it that you'll do fine.
But the email... Bear in mind at least part of it (medical billing and the stat's) are USA specific.
Virus Update
Impressive read from a friend’s personal doctor. On the surface the nursing home stats would seem to contradict the cruise ship findings, but those stats are also likely to be corrupted. But the prevalence of pre-existing conditions is likely much higher in nursing home environments.
Dear All,
There sure seems to be a lot of confusing and conflicting information out there about this virus situation. I have read and seen much. Some of it is valid, some questionable, and some conspiracy theory or spin. I must admit it is difficult to sort through and verify. There are a couple of things that I have been able to verify that I feel are important for you to know. The good news is that this virus is dying (as expected) and we are past the peak.
First, and it is most unfortunate, the numbers you hear re. cases and deaths related to the virus have been corrupted. As you know when this began I sent out weekly emails or so with current data re. coronavirus numbers and the flu. When I went to do it again some weeks ago the numbers were no longer making any sense. I noticed the data was all over the map. The different sources I went to were quite inconsistent with each other. Prior to this, although the numbers were not all the same from the different sources, the data was in parallel and was consistent. This was no longer the case. As expected, the number of cases went up significantly since testing for the virus also increased, but the number of deaths went up exponentially. This made no sense. Before, the number of deaths in relation to the cases was consistent and relatively predictable, but when testing increased dramatically the ratio of number of cases should have gone up exponentially more in comparison to the deaths. It did not. I could not organize it all to make any sense. Further investigation led me to the source of the problem. Many weeks ago healthcare institutions and clinics were told that if they could tie the coronavirus to any case or death, reimbursement for caring for that individual would be higher. All they needed was “suspicion”, not objective proof. So, in essence, these institutions would be paid more for coding their billing around the coronavirus. Billing and coding is an art in healthcare, and there are designated employees that specialize in doing this to maximize the payment for care for a given patient by an institution or medical office. This is what happens when a third party payer inserts itself between the doctor and patient, thus affecting the doctor-patient relationship. The latter is a discussion in itself, but suffice it to say that for many weeks now clinics have been incentivized to blame the coronavirus for anything that comes in the door, whether there is a direct causal effect or not. When I was made aware of this I made a few phone calls to those I know in large healthcare institutions/clinics, and it was verified. This also explains the dramatic drop in causes of death in the last many weeks related to coronary disease, high blood pressure, diabetes, etc., which is just not mathematically possible. Ironically, I was at a car dealer the other day picking up a vehicle from service and a young man, having never met me before but knowing I was a doctor, was telling me his Dad just died from pneumonia due to end stage lung cancer (a common way of expiring from this). He also volunteered that his family is very angry at the doctor and hospital that cared for him because they put “Covid-19” as a secondary cause of his death on his death certificate, with no prior evidence of his father having been infected by the virus. They are suing the doctor and hospital for falsification of the medical record. This is not isolated, it is nationwide. I read a recent medical article stating that Pennsylvania pulled back hundreds of logged deaths related to Covid-19 because the diagnoses were erroneous. The patient above that died from lung cancer is now in the national database as a Covid-19 victim. Just last week I learned of another terminal Lung CA. patient locally who passed and was erroneously labelled as a Covid-19 death. This is terrible and it permanently affects the numbers. As a result of corrupting the billing/coding process, one cannot trust any of the numbers reported by any source since the data input is corrupted. One must conclude then that the resulting number of cases and deaths being reported are falsely elevated. A number of epidemiologists are saying the best guess would be to halve whatever numbers are published to get close to the real number, but that is a crude estimate in and of itself.
With that said, now the second item, real data does exist and we had the numbers a couple of months ago. Those ”2” Princess Cruise ships that were infected told us everything we needed to know about this virus. There were “2” ships, each with about 3,500 people on them. The 2 ships were cruising in different areas of the ocean. They are perfect scientific experiments for the worst case scenario of this virus. These people were crammed on to a ship, sharing all facilities, touching all of the same railings, doorknobs, breathing the same air in the tight hallways and rooms, dining together in small dining facilities, and drinking in the same bars. Let us also note that these ships had the highest risk people you could have on board. Cruise ships are not filled with 18 year olds. They are filled with retired people and seniors in the twilight of their lives looking to travel and see things while they still can. They are the ones at most risk for this bug, just like they are high risk for the flu. So, these ships are the perfect storm, and these higher risk people were doing everything we are told not to do to control the spread of the virus. Both ships were studied in a true scientific fashion. First, and most importantly, ALL of the cruisers were tested for the virus on both ships, not just the ones with symptoms, ALL of them were tested. This is where the astonishing facts come out. The rate of infection was 20%. That means only 1 in 5 of those people on those ships became infected. And the data was the same on both ships, which makes the data even stronger. Repetition of data is the key to “proof” in science. This virus showed not to be as infectious as we would expect on those ships. This tells me it would be difficult for you to get it by going outside, walking, biking, surfing, fishing, or even strolling by someone who has it. Outside, someone with it would likely have to walk up to you and sneeze in your face while you inhale in order for you to get it. Wearing a mask inside working in close quarters with other people makes sense, wearing one outside and on walks looks to be unnecessary according to this data. As the numbers from the ships show, even being with infected people in close quarters, inside, brings a 20% chance of infection. Now here is another amazing data point, of the 20% who had the virus on the ships, 45% of those had never had a symptom! That is correct, in this high risk group of people, almost half of those infected never even knew they had it. This leads us to the all important number, the “case fatality ratio”, i.e., the chance of dying from the virus if you contract it. This number is calculated by dividing the number of cases by the number of deaths. We have been told the fatality ratio is anywhere from 3% to 7% or higher. This is not consistent with the ship data. Not on just one of these ships, but on both ships, the case fatality ratio was “identical” (more substantiation) at 1.4%. Now think about that, the highest risk people placed into an environment with the highest absolute risk of contracting the virus, and the death ratio is 1.4%. That means the absolute worst case scenario is a death ratio of 1.4%. However, the whole country is not made up of seniors crammed on to cruise ships. If you tested everybody in the country, all ages and risks together, one can validly assume the ratio would be much lower, much below 1%. The only way to know for sure is to test everybody, which we had not been allowed to do until recently. They had only been testing people with symptoms, which is why the fatality ratios were skewed. You need to test EVERYBODY to get an accurate number. The data on the cruise ships is consistent with the data 2 emergency room doctors collected in Kern county recently where they had 5,000+ patients and came up with a case fatality ratio of 0.5%. There are doctors at Stanford and USC who have come to the same conclusions. That ratio is along the lines of a moderate to bad flu season.
Unfortunately, even if we now test everybody, the real data has been corrupted forever due to the billing/coding practices and we will never really know what the true numbers are with this virus. Nonetheless, if you are high risk you need to continue to take special precautions for now. We do have treatment, and vaccines are pending.
I thought this was important information to relay when you are trying to interpret what you hear from news and medical sources. And it is good to know that the data from the cruise ships is real and tells us a lot, with each ship confirming the data from the other. It is inarguable. You can’t get much better science than that!
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Post by wchnu on May 24, 2020 7:40:09 GMT -6
But the email... Bear in mind at least part of it (medical billing and the stat's) are USA specific. /quote] Very good read. Thanks. I never have trusted the numbers. We slit our throats with the lock downs and such. Hope we turn it around soon.
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Post by wchnu on May 24, 2020 7:41:41 GMT -6
Nice to be a loner at times eh? I find it good most of the time. Amen brother.
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ShadowsDad
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Post by ShadowsDad on May 24, 2020 9:27:08 GMT -6
My concern is that the cure was and has yet to be worse than the disease ever could have been. It might take years to come back from "the cure" and it might devolve into something we never wanted to see in the US. Time will tell.
I'm so glad I don't live in a city. "The cure" others have had to tolerate never really affected us except when we go into town and have to tolerate Covid19 theater as drafted members of the theater troupe. The more of it I need to put up with it the more intolerant I become of it.
I tried to enter a supermarket the other day with a shopping cart that was hot from being in the full sun. C19 dies extremely rapidly in heat. Too, it dies in seconds in UV exposure and there was huge UV exposure that day. Due to that I left my quaternary disinfectant in the car. I knew that the cart was quite safe. But I was refused entrance with my C19 free cart. Instead I was given one from someone who had contaminated countless carts with rubber gloves that hadn't been changed for GOD only knows how long. She was using a wipe, no doubt with alcohol/water solution on hot carts. Alcohol evaporates faster than the water, leaving an unknown alc' concentration in the wipe which also was being used for cart after cart. Alc' must be 60% minimum for it to be effective in that use. But I had to use one of the contaminated carts because someone with a room temp' IQ, in an office and having authority told them they had to put the show on. OK, I had C19 so for me it's no big deal, but how many people could they have infected had it not been a sunny day with loads of UV to pre-sanitize the carts before being subject to the theatrical show? I try to hold my tongue, but I just can't, and it's getting more difficult. Now if they actually want to do it correctly I have no problem with it, but too, a cart that the sun disinfected is perfectly OK. How the hell did we get to be the dominant species on this planet? The competition must have been truly sub par for us to crowd them out.
OK, back to the supermarket... Do they think that the goods inside come out of a sterile warehouse, then get transported in a sterile truck box after having been loaded by a sterile fork truck? I could go on and on to include our clothes and anything else we bring in with us. Too, the woman counting heads wasn't wearing a mask, just a faceshield. It's just Covid-19 theater and that's OK, but they want me to go along with it and I'm not OK with that.
OK, rant mode off.
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