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Post by jrdelgado on Apr 27, 2020 21:06:28 GMT -6
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Post by Tony'schin on Apr 28, 2020 0:28:41 GMT -6
Very nice, someone will be able to help. I, myself am a novice with these wonderful razors.
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riverrun
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Post by riverrun on Apr 28, 2020 8:26:52 GMT -6
It's the HR-9A model. The last patent date on the head should be January 14, 1900 So that's the earliest date this razor could have been made. Shortly afterwards Kampfe started making models with spring clips, so I'd date it 1900 to 1903, maybe 1905. razors.click/kampfe/#1900-HR-9ADo you have some pictures showing all the patent dates? Maybe taken without the handle attached? And could I use them on the above web site?
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Flintstone
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Post by Flintstone on Apr 28, 2020 8:33:18 GMT -6
Received this today. I cleaned it, sterilized, and put to use. Excellent shave. I’m hoping a few of you could help me figure out the date. Thank you! Beautiful razor, and you've come to the right place, although I'm not your best source for info -- they'll be by here soon, I'm sure. I've got a few models of KB Stars (not that one), but I know gaw9576 has that particular model. How can I be so sure? I've memorized his entire collection!!! Just kidding, another member here riverrun (who has a great website on these razors -- Click Here ) has pics of almost all of the various Kampfe Bros Star lather catchers, along with patent details and other descriptive information...it's an excellent reference. gaw9576 was kind enough to take pics of his razors for the site and riverrun has credited those pics to the suppliers. You'll see a few of mine in there as well. You'll find your razor is a 1900 - HR-9A model. I think the model numbers are an artifact from another razor historian, Robert K. Waits; and the model year is the latest patent date for the razor, 1900. So the short answer, I think, is that we cannot accurately date these razors. We often call them a 1900 or 1901, but they would've likely been produced after the printed patent date, and those dates are good for around 20 years (I think). The best way to determine a rough production or sale year is to look for advertising, but since Kampfe Bros was spitting out these things with differences that would be hard for us to see in an old ad, I'm not sure how accurate we can be. Because the KB was putting out so many new models, some of us do assume that it was a relatively small window between the razors (although I don't have any real basis for that assumption); but if you buy into that, and the next model number has a patent date in 1901, then perhaps the razor was produced/sold around 1900 to 1901 or 1902. I'd call it a 100+ year old razor, and also figure it most certainly predated certain early unmentionable razors which were produced in 1903/1904. Dating SE razors is far more difficult than other unmentionable razors (remember, that's how we always, refer to a razor that is not an SE on this forum). You can usually get within spitting distance, and it can often lead to lots of debate, but in the end your educated guess is as good as mine (probably better). Welcome again to the forum, and if I remember correctly, gaw9576 has used a modern GEM blade in his razor to shave with....hopefully you'll give it a try (if you haven't already), these are very nice razors, albeit a bit on the aggressive side (IMO).
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Flintstone
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Post by Flintstone on Apr 28, 2020 8:34:53 GMT -6
It's the HR-9A model. The last patent date on the head should be January 14, 1900 So that's the earliest date this razor could have been made. Shortly afterwards Kampfe started making models with spring clips, so I'd date it 1900 to 1903, maybe 1905. razors.click/kampfe/#1900-HR-9ADo you have some pictures showing all the patent dates? Maybe taken without the handle attached? And could I use them on the above web site? As usual I was typing a long version of "War and Peace", while the person I was typing about was nicely and concisely giving the answer.
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TobyC
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Post by TobyC on Apr 28, 2020 9:50:26 GMT -6
Beautiful!
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Post by jayaruh on Apr 28, 2020 10:13:44 GMT -6
Veddy nice. That is a fine specimen.
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Post by wchnu on Apr 28, 2020 16:22:02 GMT -6
I love the shaves from these great ole razors. That is a veddy nice looking set!
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Post by jrdelgado on Apr 28, 2020 19:03:24 GMT -6
Thank you all I will post some more pics of it shortly. I believe the brass ring on the handle has a crack. The handle is very tight. I’ll get with it shortly and send pics.
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Post by jrdelgado on Apr 28, 2020 19:21:34 GMT -6
It's the HR-9A model. The last patent date on the head should be January 14, 1900 So that's the earliest date this razor could have been made. Shortly afterwards Kampfe started making models with spring clips, so I'd date it 1900 to 1903, maybe 1905. razors.click/kampfe/#1900-HR-9ADo you have some pictures showing all the patent dates? Maybe taken without the handle attached? And could I use them on the above web site? Great website! Here are a couple more pics It shaves very well. I’m really looking forward to using it again.
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riverrun
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Post by riverrun on Apr 29, 2020 7:47:49 GMT -6
It's the HR-9A model. The last patent date on the head should be January 14, 1900 So that's the earliest date this razor could have been made. Shortly afterwards Kampfe started making models with spring clips, so I'd date it 1900 to 1903, maybe 1905. razors.click/kampfe/#1900-HR-9ADo you have some pictures showing all the patent dates? Maybe taken without the handle attached? And could I use them on the above web site? Great website! Here are a couple more pics It shaves very well. I’m really looking forward to using it again. Thanks. I've added the last image to my site and completed the patent information for the HR-9A. What puzzles me: Jan 14, 1900 is shown twice. Could the second one be for France? Hard to tell. I can't find any French patents for that date.
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Post by gaw9576 on Apr 29, 2020 13:19:31 GMT -6
Flintstone is Absolutely right. That looks I identical to my razor. Except you have a beautiful case with yours. Mine came to me without a case. I find it to be a fantastic shaver. It is on the aggressive side but with a light touch and attention to technique it performs wonderfully. I use modern Gem blades in it with no wedge adapters or shims. You can however use either the adapters or shims to more accurately reproduce the blade angle of a wedge blade. I have shaved with mine everywhere from top of the razor nearly flat to the skin all the wat to the blade at nearly 90° to the skin and everything in between. I would definitely start out at nearly flat to the skin with almost negative pressure.
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Post by jrdelgado on Apr 29, 2020 16:48:35 GMT -6
Great website! Here are a couple more pics It shaves very well. I’m really looking forward to using it again. Thanks. I've added the last image to my site and completed the patent information for the HR-9A. What puzzles me: Jan 14, 1900 is shown twice. Could the second one be for France? Hard to tell. I can't find any French patents for that date.
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Post by jrdelgado on Apr 29, 2020 16:49:21 GMT -6
Thanks. I've added the last image to my site and completed the patent information for the HR-9A. What puzzles me: Jan 14, 1900 is shown twice. Could the second one be for France? Hard to tell. I can't find any French patents for that date. The January 14 on the left side of the picture says Italy before it. Could that be it?
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Post by jrdelgado on Apr 29, 2020 16:51:40 GMT -6
Flintstone is Absolutely right. That looks I identical to my razor. Except you have a beautiful case with yours. Mine came to me without a case. I find it to be a fantastic shaver. It is on the aggressive side but with a light touch and attention to technique it performs wonderfully. I use modern Gem blades in it with no wedge adapters or shims. You can however use either the adapters or shims to more accurately reproduce the blade angle of a wedge blade. I have shaved with mine everywhere from top of the razor nearly flat to the skin all the wat to the blade at nearly 90° to the skin and everything in between. I would definitely start out at nearly flat to the skin with almost negative pressure. Thank you for the advice! I have used a wedge adapter in mine only shaved with it once. With do again tonight. I do agree on it being aggressive. Thank you for the compliments. I really like it. I’m going to compare it to my other lather catchers soon.
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