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Post by TobyC on Jun 5, 2019 9:41:39 GMT -6
Could be uniqueness in each razor, I have a 1912 with a lot more blade feel/exposure than others.
If the blade is already at the blade stops, I don't see how it could push the blade forward, only lift the back end a little, and you can readily change the blade angle while shaving. And most razors have a useful range of angles just by how you put the razor on your face. IMO shims on a single edge razor are only useful if the blade isn't held firmly enough without it.
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Post by birdlives on Jun 5, 2019 11:30:34 GMT -6
Could be uniqueness in each razor, I have a 1912 with a lot more blade feel/exposure than others. If the blade is already at the blade stops, I don't see how it could push the blade forward, only lift the back end a little, and you can readily change the blade angle while shaving. And most razors have a useful range of angles just by how you put the razor on your face. IMO shims on a single edge razor are only useful if the blade isn't held firmly enough without it. Thats what I concluded after trying shims on several of my SE's....I think we are on the same page about this. But some posted that with their Super Six or Stoll (I don't remember which), that when they shut it, the act of shuting it disengaged the spring that holds the blade agsinst the front blade stops. But with the shim the blade stayed tight. I don't know, I haven't held one yet...But that situation should change this coming Sat.🤞🤞
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Post by TobyC on Jun 5, 2019 11:35:33 GMT -6
Keep us posted! I guess it could be something unusual to the latch on that razor that needs the spine to sit higher.
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Post by Flintstone on Jun 5, 2019 13:14:39 GMT -6
I know that my latch will not stay in the up position when the lid/top is closed and snapped into place.
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Post by TobyC on Jun 5, 2019 13:27:48 GMT -6
I know that my latch will not stay in the up position when the lid/top is closed and snapped into place. By design? How is it supposed to hold the blade???
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Post by TobyC on Jun 5, 2019 13:30:57 GMT -6
The top pushes it down. How can this be?
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Post by Flintstone on Jun 5, 2019 16:10:48 GMT -6
The top pushes it down. How can this be? So if you flip open the lid, the latch is allowed to move up pretty far, and in the up position it acts as a clear backstop for the blade. When the lid comes down, there isn't a "cut-out" in the lid for the latch, so the metal bottom of the lid presses the latch down. That said, there is a small lip on the side of the latch that touches the back of the blade, so it is very possible even though the latch is lowered as the lid presses down on it, it may be sticking up enough internally for the blade to use it as a backstop -- I just can't see it (because the lid's down). Admittedly, I didn't notice the blade moving backwards on me when I shaved, so something was holding the blade in place....I assumed it was the back of the lid, or maybe it was a piece of the latch that it was caught on. Does any of that make any sense? It's sort of tough to describe. I will say that the blade fits pretty tight into the clips on mine, so once it was pressed in place, it felt almost "stuck" in position. But even with the blade pushed fully into the blade stops, it still seems to be pretty well back from the guard. It feels like it was designed to be a mild shaver to me. I'm not sure of the physics/engineering behind what a shim could or could not do in this particular case, and I pretty lazy when it comes to shimming (i.e., I don't usually bother unless there's no way to shave without it); but I'm open to trying stuff. I'll also add that when you got the angle "right", the razor absolutely shaves. So I'm more than willing to blame my lack-of-technique on what I perceive as a lack of efficiency.
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Post by TobyC on Jun 5, 2019 17:19:11 GMT -6
The top pushes it down. How can this be? So if you flip open the lid, the latch is allowed to move up pretty far, and in the up position it acts as a clear backstop for the blade. When the lid comes down, there isn't a "cut-out" in the lid for the latch, so the metal bottom of the lid presses the latch down. That said, there is a small lip on the side of the latch that touches the back of the blade, so it is very possible even though the latch is lowered as the lid presses down on it, it may be sticking up enough internally for the blade to use it as a backstop -- I just can't see it (because the lid's down). Admittedly, I didn't notice the blade moving backwards on me when I shaved, so something was holding the blade in place....I assumed it was the back of the lid, or maybe it was a piece of the latch that it was caught on. Does any of that make any sense? It's sort of tough to describe. I will say that the blade fits pretty tight into the clips on mine, so once it was pressed in place, it felt almost "stuck" in position. But even with the blade pushed fully into the blade stops, it still seems to be pretty well back from the guard. It feels like it was designed to be a mild shaver to me. I'm not sure of the physics/engineering behind what a shim could or could not do in this particular case, and I pretty lazy when it comes to shimming (i.e., I don't usually bother unless there's no way to shave without it); but I'm open to trying stuff. I'll also add that when you got the angle "right", the razor absolutely shaves. So I'm more than willing to blame my lack-of-technique on what I perceive as a lack of efficiency. All of that makes perfect sense, but, if you carefully open the top, is the blade held in by the top of the latch, or is it just sitting there?
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Post by TobyC on Jun 5, 2019 17:20:24 GMT -6
You could always remove the top and shave without it.
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Post by Flintstone on Jun 5, 2019 17:21:55 GMT -6
So if you flip open the lid, the latch is allowed to move up pretty far, and in the up position it acts as a clear backstop for the blade. When the lid comes down, there isn't a "cut-out" in the lid for the latch, so the metal bottom of the lid presses the latch down. That said, there is a small lip on the side of the latch that touches the back of the blade, so it is very possible even though the latch is lowered as the lid presses down on it, it may be sticking up enough internally for the blade to use it as a backstop -- I just can't see it (because the lid's down). Admittedly, I didn't notice the blade moving backwards on me when I shaved, so something was holding the blade in place....I assumed it was the back of the lid, or maybe it was a piece of the latch that it was caught on. Does any of that make any sense? It's sort of tough to describe. I will say that the blade fits pretty tight into the clips on mine, so once it was pressed in place, it felt almost "stuck" in position. But even with the blade pushed fully into the blade stops, it still seems to be pretty well back from the guard. It feels like it was designed to be a mild shaver to me. I'm not sure of the physics/engineering behind what a shim could or could not do in this particular case, and I pretty lazy when it comes to shimming (i.e., I don't usually bother unless there's no way to shave without it); but I'm open to trying stuff. I'll also add that when you got the angle "right", the razor absolutely shaves. So I'm more than willing to blame my lack-of-technique on what I perceive as a lack of efficiency. All of that makes perfect sense, but, if you carefully open the top, is the blade held in by the top of the latch, or is it just sitting there? Ahhhhhh, therein lies the answer. And the answer is, it's held by the latch....not a lot of the latch, but enough to keep it from going back. Feeling a little foolish for not taking that last leap of logic, but thanks for getting me there .
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Post by birdlives on Jun 5, 2019 17:33:20 GMT -6
Yo Flinty...From reading the earliest post and another thread by Paul...I'm thinking (this 'thinking' thing usually gets me in trouble)...But it looks like, when you put that blade retaining spring all the way up...Then you go to close it...When the blade cover touches that spring...try pulling the spring away from the back and then close the lid.
Did that work? That might allow the spring to stay up and put the blade in further. Just a guess. But Tom told me his Stoll was more aggressive than the 1914...
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Post by Flintstone on Jun 5, 2019 17:49:41 GMT -6
Yo Flinty...From reading the earliest post and another thread by Paul...I'm thinking (this 'thinking' thing usually gets me in trouble)...But it looks like, when you put that blade retaining spring all the way up...Then you go to close it...When the blade cover touches that spring...try pulling the spring away from the back and then close the lid. Did that work? That might allow the spring to stay up and put the blade in further. Just a guess. But Tom told me his Stoll was more aggressive than the 1914... I'll give that a try, thanks!!!
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Post by birdlives on Jun 5, 2019 18:02:23 GMT -6
Dis is the one I got...Thanks tobyc 👍👍
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Post by Flintstone on Jun 5, 2019 19:47:06 GMT -6
Dis is the one I got...Thanks tobyc 👍👍 Congrats, that's a beauty!!!
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Post by birdlives on Jun 5, 2019 22:34:58 GMT -6
Dis is the one I got...Thanks tobyc 👍👍 Congrats, that's a beauty!!! Thanks, I certainly hope so....I've got my fingers and toes crossed.🤞🤞😉
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