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Post by twhite on Aug 15, 2017 10:14:46 GMT -6
You are correct on the cap height. I designed it to have a 30 angle. That angle worked great for my injector I made. Not too sure about the SE. It is something I need to find out on my shaves. I really expect to have to lower it.
The design is intended to make it easy to hold the correct angle. As for the slider size for the blade. It will be a 10 minute fix.
If it works out, I will make a few to passaroud here. It should be fun.
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Post by riverrun on Aug 15, 2017 10:31:19 GMT -6
Adjustable cap. Maybe not...
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Post by Electrif on Aug 15, 2017 11:42:38 GMT -6
Great potential I see in this.
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Post by riverrun on Aug 15, 2017 13:58:52 GMT -6
You are correct on the cap height. I designed it to have a 30 angle. That angle worked great for my injector I made. Not too sure about the SE. It is something I need to find out on my shaves. I really expect to have to lower it. I was thinking the "hump" looks a bit big. A 30 degree angle for a GEM blade seems a bit much. I took a picture of a 1912 with a GEM blade and a shim (the blade could be clearly seen in the picture until I painted the blue line over it - that's definitely how the blade sits in the 1912) The angle between the blue line (blade) and the green line is exactly 15 degree. That is close to "riding the cap". A good angle. That's how I shave with the 1912. The angle between the blue line and the red line is exactly 30 degrees. Maybe some people shave like that. I don't
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Post by twhite on Aug 15, 2017 14:04:03 GMT -6
You are correct on the cap height. I designed it to have a 30 angle. That angle worked great for my injector I made. Not too sure about the SE. It is something I need to find out on my shaves. I really expect to have to lower it. I was thinking the "hump" looks a bit big. A 30 degree angle for a GEM blade seems a bit much. I took a picture of a 1912 with a GEM blade and a shim (the blade could be clearly seen in the picture until I painted the blue line over it - that's definitely how the blade sits in the 1912) The angle between the blue line (blade) and the green line is exactly 15 degree. That is close to "riding the cap". A good angle. That's how I shave with the 1912. The angle between the blue line and the red line is exactly 30 degrees. Maybe some people shave like that. I don't Looks like I will need to redesign the cap. I will see how the first incarnation goes. When I change the cap height I will need to redesign the lower safety bar. As the angle change will create way too much blade exposure. This is part of the fun for me. Back to the drawing board😁.
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Post by riverrun on Aug 15, 2017 14:08:55 GMT -6
Hey, maybe 30 degrees works for you... maybe I'm doing it wrong - not everyone is "riding the cap" on a 1912...
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Post by RocketMan on Aug 15, 2017 14:36:25 GMT -6
Hey, maybe 30 degrees works for you... maybe I'm doing it wrong - not everyone is "riding the cap" on a 1912... I agree not everyone uses the same angle. It is always nice when the razor allows for the user's choice of angle rather than dictate what it should be. Think of a Micromatic - some swear by holding the razor close to the face - yet I like this razor best when I move the handle away from my face, increase the angle of attack, and make the shave an 'experience' rather than just mowing hair. Typically in last century design, the angle of the razor is measured from the guard apex to the blade apex - the cap/lid/cover does not form part of the equation. That is where adjustability starts to throw a wrench in the works. As a blade is backed up, the angle lowers, as it is advanced, it increases. So an adjustable blade such as in this type of razor does not only increase the gap, but impacts the angle significantly as well. This partially explains why there are so few succesfull commercial examples of adjustable razors. It is a wonderful project though. And I personally feel that the ability to adjust the blade - as in the very old Kampfe late 1800s frames, provides a terrific set of variables to make shaves a lot more fun!
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Post by twhite on Aug 15, 2017 14:43:18 GMT -6
Hey, maybe 30 degrees works for you... maybe I'm doing it wrong - not everyone is "riding the cap" on a 1912... I haven't a clue on what the actual optimal angle is on a SE. I went with the same blade angle as The Bunny. That has a 30 degree angle. I will know after the first stroke if I am all wet about the SE angle. Besides I have 2 other injectors I made after the Bunny that totally suck. I like to learn from my failures. Not that I like failing. If this design works out in the end, I will send one off to you to try out. That way I can get some feedback.
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Post by riverrun on Aug 15, 2017 15:12:59 GMT -6
Hey, maybe 30 degrees works for you... maybe I'm doing it wrong - not everyone is "riding the cap" on a 1912... I haven't a clue on what the actual optimal angle is on a SE. I went with the same blade angle as The Bunny. That has a 30 degree angle. I will know after the first stroke if I am all wet about the SE angle. Besides I have 2 other injectors I made after the Bunny that totally suck. I like to learn from my failures. Not that I like failing. If this design works out in the end, I will send one off to you to try out. That way I can get some feedback. The angle on the Bunny works well for me. And yes, it's pretty much 30 degrees if you ride its little hump. I'm more than happy to test anything you dream up
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Post by twhite on Aug 15, 2017 15:14:55 GMT -6
I haven't a clue on what the actual optimal angle is on a SE. I went with the same blade angle as The Bunny. That has a 30 degree angle. I will know after the first stroke if I am all wet about the SE angle. Besides I have 2 other injectors I made after the Bunny that totally suck. I like to learn from my failures. Not that I like failing. If this design works out in the end, I will send one off to you to try out. That way I can get some feedback. The angle on the Bunny works well for me. And yes, it's pretty much 30 degrees if you ride its little hump. I'm more than happy to test anything you dream up Glad to hear you are a thrill seeker. A man after my own heart. What is the worst that can happen? Death😂
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Post by twhite on Aug 16, 2017 18:52:56 GMT -6
First shave. SOAP: Williams BRUSH: Jayaruh 192 RAZOR: my SE adjustable creation. AS: Aqua Velva This was my first shave with my newly created razor. I started out on the middle setting. Starting with 2 days growth. I laid the cap on my cheek and dropped down to make blade contact. It is a very quiet razor. I attribute that to it being secured very well. I finished the first pass. I found this setting to be very comfortable. Lathered up for pass 2 and dialed it up all the way. Now we are talking. A more aggressive shave. I never felt that it was going to bite me. Lathered for pass 3 and dialed it down all the way. Very mild shave. It easily went ATG on my upper lip. I do find this more mild than I prefer. First impressions. The handle is of nice diameter to grip. I will add some groves for added grip for soapy hands. Head size is on the large size. Not overly so though. Using your standard 1912 shave techniques it easily gets your mustache area. I did not find the angle to be bad at all. I will however make another razor with a lower head profile. That way I can fine tune if needed. Overall I am extremely pleased with this first functional go. Tom
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Post by pj3r on Aug 16, 2017 22:25:07 GMT -6
It looks Tom that you are on the wright way! 👍👏👍👏
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Post by riverrun on Aug 17, 2017 3:51:56 GMT -6
Nice! I tried 30 degrees "hand held" on my 1912 yesterday and didn't like it, but maybe that's due to the 1912 (shimmed) and not the blade. I'll try it unshimmed later today... I assume your handle is integral part of the new razor - Bunny style? At first glance the handle looks a bit short for the size of the head. How long is it? I find your project much more exciting than any other of the GEM razors coming at the moment...
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Post by twhite on Aug 17, 2017 7:03:27 GMT -6
Nice! I tried 30 degrees "hand held" on my 1912 yesterday and didn't like it, but maybe that's due to the 1912 (shimmed) and not the blade. I'll try it unshimmed later today... I assume your handle is integral part of the new razor - Bunny style? At first glance the handle looks a bit short for the size of the head. How long is it? I find your project much more exciting than any other of the GEM razors coming at the moment... The handle is a bit over 75mm with a diameter of 13mm The handle is separate and also functions to lock your adjustment in. Twist the handle just a bit, then move the adjustment lever to desired position. Then tighten handle to lock in place.
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Post by riverrun on Aug 17, 2017 7:09:49 GMT -6
Nice! I tried 30 degrees "hand held" on my 1912 yesterday and didn't like it, but maybe that's due to the 1912 (shimmed) and not the blade. I'll try it unshimmed later today... I assume your handle is integral part of the new razor - Bunny style? At first glance the handle looks a bit short for the size of the head. How long is it? I find your project much more exciting than any other of the GEM razors coming at the moment... The handle is a bit over 75mm with a diameter of 13mm The handle is separate and also functions to lock your adjustment in. Twist the handle just a bit, then move the adjustment lever to desired position. Then tighten handle to lock in place. Clever. Thanks. 75mm should be long enough. I use a 96mm handle on my 1912, but I can cope with any length handle.
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