TobyC
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Post by TobyC on Dec 22, 2017 13:04:04 GMT -6
I had two horsehair brushes, knots from VIGSHAVING, I liked them at first but they got more floppy and spineless with every use. I still have one, replaced the other with a black and white synthetic from Maggard.
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Post by wchnu on Dec 22, 2017 15:01:26 GMT -6
I had two horsehair brushes, knots from VIGSHAVING, I liked them at first but they got more floppy and spineless with every use. I still have one, replaced the other with a black and white synthetic from Maggard. I think I did a video with a horse and williams. The one I have has shorter hair. Maybe that helps.
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RobinK
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Post by RobinK on Dec 22, 2017 15:09:51 GMT -6
Let's approach this methodically, shall we? There are three variables to brushes: - Price: Decent badger brushes start at US$100. Good ones at US$ 150. Boar and synthetic brushes are considerably cheaper.
- Serviceability: Natural fibres (boar, horse, badger) require proper maintenance. Synthetics can be cleaned in a dishwasher.
- Performance: This is where it gets personal. In my personal experience, there are two types of fibres that actually deliver: Synthetic and white badger.
In my opinion, the perfect brush is a white badger fan. But, and that is a big but, we are talking about US$ 250 and more for one of these. Thäter, Shavemac, and then maybe Rooney. However, a US$30 synthetic performs almost as well, but at a fraction of the cost.
Yes, I consider boar and horse brushes completely and utterly superfluous. For reasons stated above.
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Post by birdlives on Dec 22, 2017 18:52:39 GMT -6
Ive got a Vintage 2 piece set of Stag Brushes, refurbed by Gary Carrington...both are badger.... Both these guys are fantastic....ohh, I have a new Parker Synthetic gifted to me from our very own Alan...It is veddy veddy nice aswell.... But....I have nothing that performs better than my Vie-Long Horse gifted to me from our very own Fuzz-Miester! Thats my horse in the background next to the Old Spice....That roscoe just kicks the @$$ out of any soap or cream that I have set in front of it...and always makes mountains of lather....and delivers said lather in a most appealing and endearing way! Disclaimer: Of course these are only MY opinions...But to quote a scholar and poet far wiser than I..." If you can't drive a standart....don't blame the clutch".....lmao!!!!! YMMV....We now return you back to your regularly scheduled program!......ha,ha,ha...
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Post by wchnu on Dec 22, 2017 19:36:46 GMT -6
Let's approach this methodically, shall we? There are three variables to brushes: - Price: Decent badger brushes start at US$100. Good ones at US$ 150. Boar and synthetic brushes are considerably cheaper.
- Serviceability: Natural fibres (boar, horse, badger) require proper maintenance. Synthetics can be cleaned in a dishwasher.
- Performance: This is where it gets personal. In my personal experience, there are two types of fibres that actually deliver: Synthetic and white badger.
In my opinion, the perfect brush is a white badger fan. But, and that is a big but, we are talking about US$ 250 and more for one of these. Thäter, Shavemac, and then maybe Rooney. However, a US$30 synthetic performs almost as well, but at a fraction of the cost.
Yes, I consider boar and horse brushes completely and utterly superfluous. For reasons stated above.
I have never shaved with a high end brush. Maybe that is a good thing though. Ive got a Vintage 2 piece set of Stag Brushes, refurbed by Gary Carrington...both are badger.... View AttachmentBoth these guys are fantastic....ohh, I have a new Parker Synthetic gifted to me from our very own Alan...It is veddy veddy nice aswell.... But....I have nothing that performs better than my Vie-Long Horse gifted to me from our very own Fuzz-Miester! Thats my horse in the background next to the Old Spice....That roscoe just kicks the @$$ out of any soap or cream that I have set in front of it...and always makes mountains of lather....and delivers said lather in a most appealing and endearing way! Disclaimer: Of course these are only MY opinions...But to quote a scholar and poet far wiser than I..." If you can't drive a standart....don't blame the clutch".....lmao!!!!! YMMV....We now return you back to your regularly scheduled program!......ha,ha,ha... Beautiful brushs. Miss ole Alan being around.
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TobyC
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Post by TobyC on Dec 22, 2017 20:43:20 GMT -6
Let's approach this methodically, shall we? There are three variables to brushes: - Price: Decent badger brushes start at US$100. Good ones at US$ 150. Boar and synthetic brushes are considerably cheaper.
- Serviceability: Natural fibres (boar, horse, badger) require proper maintenance. Synthetics can be cleaned in a dishwasher.
- Performance: This is where it gets personal. In my personal experience, there are two types of fibres that actually deliver: Synthetic and white badger.
In my opinion, the perfect brush is a white badger fan. But, and that is a big but, we are talking about US$ 250 and more for one of these. Thäter, Shavemac, and then maybe Rooney. However, a US$30 synthetic performs almost as well, but at a fraction of the cost.
Yes, I consider boar and horse brushes completely and utterly superfluous. For reasons stated above.
I will never pay $100, $150, or $250 for any brush, there is no justification for that cost. Call me cheap, call me an old stick in the mud jackass, I don't care.
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TobyC
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Post by TobyC on Dec 22, 2017 20:45:42 GMT -6
I had two horsehair brushes, knots from VIGSHAVING, I liked them at first but they got more floppy and spineless with every use. I still have one, replaced the other with a black and white synthetic from Maggard. I think I did a video with a horse and williams. The one I have has shorter hair. Maybe that helps. Could be, but I think I'll just avoid them for the time being.
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Post by birdlives on Dec 23, 2017 0:37:57 GMT -6
Hey guys....Every Barber in Turkey...all of them use Horse...Big fat, and tall lofts with paint brush type handles....And these guys are famous all over the Worldfor their Shaving Prowess!! I think, like in all things....maybe some brushes, no matter what they are made of , will lose their backbone.....Don't write off the ponies til you've tried more than one.... This is the famous Turkish Barber Brush:
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Post by wchnu on Dec 23, 2017 1:02:06 GMT -6
Hey guys....Every Barber in Turkey...all of them use Horse...Big fat, and tall lofts with paint brush type handles....And these guys are famous all over the Worldfor their Shaving Prowess!! I think, like in all things....maybe some brushes, no matter what they are made of , will lose their backbone.....Don't write off the ponies til you've tried more than one.... This is the famous Turkish Barber Brush: View AttachmentYup that is a beaut!!
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RobinK
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Post by RobinK on Dec 23, 2017 1:53:05 GMT -6
I have never shaved with a high end brush. Maybe that is a good thing though. It most likely is. As I said, a modern synthetic will yield similar results for a fraction of the cost. Take the travel brush in my avatar. It cost roughly US$250. Do I actively use it? I do not anymore, not since I found a synthetic that yielded comparable performance. Because I can stuff a damp synthetic into my bag, and forget about it. A damp natural fibre would rot very fast, though. I will never pay $100, $150, or $250 for any brush, there is no justification for that cost. Actually, there is. It is called " cost of labour". High-end brushes are hand-made in Europe, which means they are much more expensive than brushes made in China. Additionally, they are typically made using select grade badger hairs which also drives up the cost. To take a concrete example, Thäter brushes are not cut into shape. Instead, the hairs are bound in a way that will retain the tips of the badger hairs. Also, they do not use bleached hairs, so each hair has to be aligned in a way that will result in uniform bands. That takes a lot of time (which, as can be seen above, costs a lot of money). So when it comes to badger brushes, let us not compare apples and oranges. I have tried a few Chinese brushes, and knots. None of them come anywhere close to what you get from Thäter, Shavemac, or Rooney. But... does that affect their actual performance (and not just aesthetics and feel)? It does not, really. Certainly not to an extent that would justify the markup one pays compared to a synthetic brush. So, performance-wise, nothing beats a modern synthetic, especially if you factor in the price-performance ratio. But... does that mean you should bin your favourite brushes? Absolutely not. If you are happy with a boar, or badger, or horse brush - great! You are obviously subjectively happy, and that is how things should be. However, objectively you are getting less performance than you deserve. So, if you have not tried a modern synthetic, you probably should.
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Post by wchnu on Dec 23, 2017 2:41:17 GMT -6
I have never shaved with a high end brush. Maybe that is a good thing though. It most likely is. As I said, a modern synthetic will yield similar results for a fraction of the cost. Take the travel brush in my avatar. It cost roughly US$250. Do I actively use it? I do not anymore, not since I found a synthetic that yielded comparable performance. Because I can stuff a damp synthetic into my bag, and forget about it. A damp natural fibre would rot very fast, though. I will never pay $100, $150, or $250 for any brush, there is no justification for that cost. Actually, there is. It is called " cost of labour". High-end brushes are hand-made in Europe, which means they are much more expensive than brushes made in China. Additionally, they are typically made using select grade badger hairs which also drives up the cost. To take a concrete example, Thäter brushes are not cut into shape. Instead, the hairs are bound in a way that will retain the tips of the badger hairs. Also, they do not use bleached hairs, so each hair has to be aligned in a way that will result in uniform bands. That takes a lot of time (which, as can be seen above, costs a lot of money). So when it comes to badger brushes, let us not compare apples and oranges. I have tried a few Chinese brushes, and knots. None of them come anywhere close to what you get from Thäter, Shavemac, or Rooney. But... does that affect their actual performance (and not just aesthetics and feel)? It does not, really. Certainly not to an extent that would justify the markup one pays compared to a synthetic brush. So, performance-wise, nothing beats a modern synthetic, especially if you factor in the price-performance ratio. But... does that mean you should bin your favourite brushes? Absolutely not. If you are happy with a boar, or badger, or horse brush - great! You are obviously subjectively happy, and that is how things should be. However, objectively you are getting less performance than you deserve. So, if you have not tried a modern synthetic, you probably should. I am going to travel with a synthetic for the first time Monday. Should be easy. I will be driving so plenty of room for my travel kit.
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RobinK
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Post by RobinK on Dec 23, 2017 3:15:54 GMT -6
I am going to travel with a synthetic for the first time Monday. Should be easy. I will be driving so plenty of room for my travel kit. You might find something like this useful: goo.gl/rfE9o5 (travel tube with ventilation holes, computer translation from German). I quite like having something like this in order to keep the damp brush away from the rest of my kit.
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Post by wchnu on Dec 23, 2017 4:15:36 GMT -6
I am going to travel with a synthetic for the first time Monday. Should be easy. I will be driving so plenty of room for my travel kit. You might find something like this useful: goo.gl/rfE9o5 (travel tube with ventilation holes, computer translation from German). I quite like having something like this in order to keep the damp brush away from the rest of my kit. Yup. I use a medicine bottle with holes drilled in it. I am cheap as can be.
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Post by polishaver on Dec 23, 2017 13:00:21 GMT -6
Semogue boar for me, followed closely by finest badger
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Post by wchnu on Dec 23, 2017 14:35:57 GMT -6
Semogue boar for me, followed closely by finest badger I love the looks of that Semogue!
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