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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2020 16:36:25 GMT -6
Tinfoil hat? Funny how the ignorant will resort to that kind of name calling so fast. Do some research into how governments prepare for conflict. A display of current abilities is always before the real thing. The navy holds war games between ships, the missile readiness is displayed by outright missile tests or by the space programs. War games with allied countries are held on specific theaters with specific conflicts in mind. This is how the military industrial machine works. You would not have seen such massive vehicle shipments around the entire country otherwise. If you disagree with me you better come correct with a good counter argument. But dont be a punk and hide behind a keyboard with words. I dont know how others on this forum take to disrespect. But I dont.
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Post by TobyC on Apr 23, 2020 16:39:53 GMT -6
2A, it's our insurance policy.
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Post by jmudrick on Apr 23, 2020 16:46:02 GMT -6
Tinfoil hat? Funny how the ignorant will resort to that kind of name calling so fast. .... I dont know how others on this forum take to disrespect. But I dont. Ignorant eh. Yes I do see how that works. God forbid you'd resort to getting personal. ----- As to the OP question, 300.positves in my California neighborhood but I agree with comments above that not much insight to be gained from those numbers given how testing protocols differ from place to place. Hospitalizations have plateued for some time at a level that is apparently manageable. Hospitalizations would not have been manageable had we not locked down when we did. I'm quite happy with the leadership shown by our governor and LA mayor.
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Post by ShadowsDad on Apr 23, 2020 17:18:26 GMT -6
I would be less of a conspiracy theorist myself if the data they used compared apples to apples, but they don't. Seasonal flu death rate takes the # of deaths and divides it into the total population and a small number is gotten. WuFlu takes the # of deaths and divides it only into the people who contracted the disease and a much greater number is gotten. Too, to further inflate the numbers if someone dies of hemorrhoids and has WuFlu it's reported as a CV19 death. Why do they need to artificially inflate the numbers? I won't give answers, it's up to you to figure them out for yourself.
There is an Israeli prof' who did a study and got a result he can't explain. No matter what country he looked at and no matter what steps were taken to combat WuFlu, it always had an 8 week cycle from the start of the major outbreak to the tapering off of the disease. Then look at Sweden. They did virtually nothing to combat it other than request folks do social distancing and such and they have numbers much like other countries who destroyed their economies for the sake of a few folks who had underlying causes. BTW, that's me at high risk of death if I contract it. But I've only been doing common sense stuff and going to places where if I was going contract it those would be the places to go to. FWIW, for me it's I'm screwed if I don't go and potentially screwed if I do. But I think the risk of getting WuFlu to be much lesser of the 2 potential problems.
Then in order to get the US to go through all of these changes, Faucci used a projection from a gent in the UK who is well known to produce overinflated everything. Every study and projection he ever makes is wildly incorrect; not even close to reality. Faucci either knew this or he's hugely incompetent, yet suggested the course we've taken.
The steps people are told to stay safe like keeping 6' of distance. Do you know why? Because if the atmosphere is still when someone breathes and talks the crud falls out of the air by the time it has traveled 6'. Now introduce walking and the eddies in the air that sets up and the 6' of distance becomes meaningless, add in hot air being pumped in to heat the supermarket for instance and does anyone really think that 6' is at all meaningful for something as small as a virus? It's totally meaningless. A virus is much smaller than a piece of dust.
I don't know what all of that means to you, but the crap we've gone through probably hasn't been necessary for one thing. We do have enemies and we've basically been taken down without a shot being fired. I don't worry about the wife and I since we're rural and I can take care of pretty much anything that shows up, but folks in the city should learn to be more astute IMO since when society comes unhinged it's city folks who will bear the brunt. If the stores had emptied out of food does anyone think that things would have been as well mannered as they were this time?
I find it amazing that with so much information at our fingertips so many people are so ill informed and so willing to go along with anything suggested no matter how ridiculous. Heck Widmer (sp?) the gov' of MI allowed some stores to remain open, and once inside you could buy lottery tickets but some items one might actually need couldn't be bought. Wonder why those demonstrations took place there?
There's a joke I read just the other day and it goes like this... Do you all remember before the internet that people thought the source of stupidity was lack of information? Yeah, it wasn't that.
Oh well.
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Post by jmudrick on Apr 23, 2020 17:25:08 GMT -6
I find it amazing that with so much information at our fingertips so many people are so ill informed and so willing to go along with anything suggested no matter how ridiculous. Heck Widmer (sp?) the gov' of MI allowed some stores to remain open, and once inside you could buy lottery tickets but some items one might actually need couldn't be bought. Wonder why those demonstrations took place there? There's a joke I read just the other day and it goes like this... Do you all remember before the internet that people thought the source of stupidity was lack of information? Yeah, it wasn't that We do agree there.
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Post by TobyC on Apr 28, 2020 18:19:12 GMT -6
vintagelife went poof.
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Post by twhite on Apr 28, 2020 21:12:23 GMT -6
I am a horrible person I think. Your reply killed me. We all must remember not to get personal on the forum. You all know the saying. NEVER discuss Politics or Religion. These 2 things are VERY personal to some. When it gets personal some will lash out. As for Covid around here. I live maybe 15 miles from jmudrick. There are plenty of people infected around us. Nobody that I know has it. I kind of think my dad may have had it in January. He is 82 and got really sick with something. Talking with him after the fact. He had all of the symptoms. If he did, he is lucky. He recovered. I still am working as I my company has many government contracts that don’t stop for anything. Nobody at my work has contracted it. I will keep my thoughts to myself. I don’t want to go POOF!
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Post by ShadowsDad on Apr 29, 2020 7:14:31 GMT -6
Over the weekend CDC released 6 symptoms of CV19. My wife saw it and came back to me immediately, telling me that next time it aired she'd call me, but I had to listen to it.
Allow me to digress. In mid Feb' I had some sort of bug. I never had anything like it before and I hope I never do again. Back to the story in progress. When I heard the symptoms I said immediately, "That's what I had.". Obviously the wife agreed. The only symptom I couldn't place was the lack of sense of smell and taste. But there was a 4 day period where I ate nothing because nothing appealed to me. I was quite ill at the time and noticing a sense of taste wasn't high on my priority list. I just don't know. In total I was ill for 2 weeks.
FWIW, where I go for rehab a retired nurse also goes for rehab. She works at a local college as their nurse. When I came back to rehab and told her my symptoms she commented,"Oh, you had Unity flu!". Unity college being the name of the college. Shortly after that everyone heard of Covid-19 and it had a name. The CDC symptoms told me what I had. I called my DR and asked if there was a test to find out if I had it, but was told that they had nothing like that. I think it exists in the nation, just not available locally, but I'd still like to know.
But yes, I believe I had it. For most of the 2 weeks I couldn't warm up. I was wearing a winter coat indoors and i was also covered with a blanket and was still cold. I would have bouts of shivering but that evokes a far too tame an experience. The shivering was violent shaking tha would last for an hour at a time. I would have taken my temp' but I didn't dare to put a Hg thermometer in my mouth for fear of breaking it. My body felt like I had the flu. When I did sleep in bed I would wake up absolutely drenched with sweat so I just slept in a chair after 2 nights of that and sleeping there wasn't so bad. The CDC symptoms state, "Trouble breathing". I had no trouble breathing but my normal 98-99% blood O2 levels dropped to 91% and if it had gone below 90 I was going to call 911 and get help. During my heart surgery I saw O2 levels at 93% but that was due to having 30' of coiled up drain tubing in my chest. The lungs can't fully work if there is something preventing full inflation. But anyway, what I had yielded oxygen levels lower than pretty serious surgery.
I have a double whammy of "at risk of death" health factors from WuFlu, age and heart disease, but I'm fairly strong. The folks who are dying of this have to be in pretty bad shape physically. Last I knew only 145 nation wide did not have major underlying causes and still died. That gives strong credibility to the way Sweden handled the disease in their country. They are allowing the general population to get it and protecting the people at high risk. Their mortality rate is on a par with other countries and they didn't destroy their economy to get that result. Our result from the way we handled it is that our population still hasn't developed an immunity, if one can develop an immunity, so if it makes the rounds again we either do what we already did and devastate our economy again, or adopt the Swedish approach of allowing the population to get it and develop herd immunity and protect the most vulnerable. Despite being at high risk of death from it I prefer the latter approach.
I am marveling at the intelligence of supposed "leaders" who shut down the out of doors and think social distancing @ 6' indoors is somehow better than social distancing @ 30' out of doors where there is UV to kill the virus as it floats around. But societies nazis made a proclamation and how dare anyone actually know more then the leaders in possession of room temp' IQs? The woman who was arrested for using a basketball court with her children and no one else present is classic. Where do they find brown shirt cops to make an arrest so ridiculous? Semi-locally a mayor was ticked off because surfers actually dared to use a beach he declared closed. It seems 30' isn't far enough away from other surfers. Morons should never be in positions of power.
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Post by twhite on Apr 29, 2020 8:16:40 GMT -6
Yep. Same thing my dad had. My dad and mom both go to exercise classes at the local hospital 3-4 times a week. My dad is high risk with a heart condition also.
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Post by ShadowsDad on Apr 29, 2020 9:49:20 GMT -6
I think far more people have had it than the actual numbers show. Too, the mortality is far lower than they would have us believe. Heck, they have to fudge the numbers to get them high enough to justify what they're doing.
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Post by rayr on Apr 29, 2020 12:48:39 GMT -6
I think far more people have had it than the actual numbers show. Too, the mortality is far lower than they would have us believe. Heck, they have to fudge the numbers to get them high enough to justify what they're doing. Everything you've written shows how well informed you are, all the facts you've stated bucks the constructed narrative of the politicians, quacks and bureaucrats, which means you're now an enemy of the state, a conspiracy theorist, maybe even advocating bioterrorism. Of course the antibody testing that has gone on so far shows that COVID-19 has been around a lot longer than what we were told to believe and like you said they've been fudging the numbers to justify their ruinous draconian political responses. Two California urgent care doctors, Dan Erickson and Artin Massihi were featured on a news conference video that went viral on YouTube, which was then vaporized by the YouTube Ministry of Truth as "violating YouTube's Community Guidelines". I guess scientific fact about the virus, a real look at statistics and the unintended harmful consequences to society in general that challenges the conventional wisdom is synonymous with another PC invention, "hate speech".
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Post by jmudrick on Apr 29, 2020 16:33:05 GMT -6
I think far more people have had it than the actual numbers show. Too, the mortality is far lower than they would have us believe. Heck, they have to fudge the numbers to get them high enough to justify what they're doing. Everything you've written shows how well informed you are, all the facts you've stated bucks the constructed narrative of the politicians, quacks and bureaucrats, which means you're now an enemy of the state, a conspiracy theorist, maybe even advocating bioterrorism. Of course the antibody testing that has gone on so far shows that COVID-19 has been around a lot longer than what we were told to believe and like you said they've been fudging the numbers to justify their ruinous draconian political responses. Two California urgent care doctors, Dan Erickson and Artin Massihi were featured on a news conference video that went viral on YouTube, which was then vaporized by the YouTube Ministry of Truth as "violating YouTube's Community Guidelines". I guess scientific fact about the virus, a real look at statistics and the unintended harmful consequences to society in general that challenges the conventional wisdom is synonymous with another PC invention, "hate speech". I wouldn't call that video a real look at statistics. They extrapolate their positive rate to the general population as if it's a random sample. Which it's clearly not, their testing universe is people who think they are sick with Covid-19. Their extrapolations therefore wildly overstate the likely infection rate. This is pretty basic stuff. I don't know why it's so hard to understand what has been stated again and again. I'd use all caps but don't want to be perceived as screaming: mortality rate by itself means little, what matters is rate of contagion + mortality rate which determines the impact on our hospital system. For sake of argument, even if Covid-19 has the same mortality rate as seasonal flu, if it's way more contagious and spread by asymptomatic people, which it is, it requires extraordinary public health intervention to avoid overwhelming the system and dramatically increasing the number of deaths from all kinds of otherwise manageable things in addition to Covid-19. See didn't say tin hat even once. Despite the ubiquitous use of this ominous"they", about which , like Tom, I will just be quiet.
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Post by TobyC on Apr 29, 2020 16:42:58 GMT -6
Nobody has good numbers, the dead may or may not have had CCP virus, Those who recovered weren't tested, many never knew they were sick.
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Post by ShadowsDad on Apr 29, 2020 16:48:41 GMT -6
I learned tonight that neighbors I don't often see had it in January. She works in a hospital and the husband also had it. My wife never got it from me, and no one else in the household of the neighbors got it either. So how contagious can it be? I'm thinking the conditions have to be just right. I don't know what those "just right" conditions are.
Rayr, I've been on that list for a very long time. Ever since Vietnam I don't trust anything "they" say or do. If it's connected to the go'vermin in any way it's pretty much a lie IMO. Take the opposite track and you'll do OK.
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Post by jmudrick on Apr 29, 2020 17:07:25 GMT -6
I learned tonight that neighbors I don't often see had it in January. She works in a hospital and the husband also had it. My wife never got it from me, and no one else in the household of the neighbors got it either. So how contagious can it be? I'm thinking the conditions have to be just right. I don't know what those "just right" conditions are. . It can at once be very contagious while still not evidencing obvious symptoms in a large percentage of infected and still contagious individuals. And that is the way the growing body of data is pointing. Certainly seems the case from the NYC and LA data.
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