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Post by HoosierTrooper on Oct 11, 2012 16:53:38 GMT -6
I loaned a member at B&B a few injector razors and blades to test and when he returned them he included this Stoll Improved SE as a way to repay me. I protested that it wasn't necessary but he insisted and said he didn't really care for it. It's a neat razor, very similar to the the 1914 Ever-Ready but is hinged at the front like the 19124 ER, has a patent date of 4-14-'14 stamped on it. These were made by the Star Safety Razor Company, formerly the Kampfe Brothers, and were sold in the Sears Roebuck catalog from 1920-1926, according to Waits. Star had an identical razor called the Star Super Six. It's a pretty cool little razor.
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Post by wchnu on Oct 11, 2012 17:33:56 GMT -6
Very cool. Never heard of that one.
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Post by RocketMan on Oct 11, 2012 18:31:04 GMT -6
That is a great looking little razor. Thanx for posting HT!!
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Post by ShadowsDad on Oct 11, 2012 20:56:22 GMT -6
Neat! I never heard of it either.
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Post by razorx on Oct 11, 2012 21:57:41 GMT -6
Cool that he sent that along to you.The release mechanism got my attention right away.I haven't seen anything like that before.
Interesting design,sort of like the '14 and '24 had a baby.
Nice...
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Post by norfolkdick on Oct 11, 2012 23:52:27 GMT -6
Very cool. Never heard of that one. Greetings Neither have I and it is genuinely different not just another 'same as' with a different name. Regards Dick
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Post by wchnu on Oct 12, 2012 0:02:57 GMT -6
I thought I something similar I have a 1915 pat. Star that has that general shape. it does not have the cool release mech. though. That is a super cool looking part of the razor.
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Post by HoosierTrooper on Oct 12, 2012 3:56:08 GMT -6
The locking tab is what sets it apart from the 12, 14 and 24 designs. You have to pull it away from the frame slightly then either "up" to lock the blade or "down" to unlock.
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Post by ShadowsDad on Oct 12, 2012 21:13:32 GMT -6
OK, I see it now! It's like the Kampfe or Hero Lather Catcher blade mechanism, but with a cover. Cool!
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Post by Flintstone on Jun 2, 2019 8:40:55 GMT -6
I am officially re-activating this thread. I like unusual and unique razors, so when I stumbled upon this one I picked it up. It's been hiding in plain sight in my den (along with a bunch of others I gobbled up, but haven't tried yet); and I finally decided it was time to give it a go. Tom (aka HoosierTrooper) has one, but he never really mentioned how it shaved (at least in this thread); although I have found where he and drumzalot have discussed this razor and a Stoll Lather Catcher on TOST and in another forum. I've shaved with it twice and it hasn’t really won me over yet, so I'm holding off on my feedback until I get a few more shaves in. In the meantime, I'm putting up a few pics in this post, but I'm also going to do another post with a few side-by-side pics with the ER 1914 and the ER 1924 since the razor appears to be the love child of those two razors. In reality, The Stoll Improved is really a Star Super Six that was re-branded for Wilbert Cutlery, which itself was really a Sears private-label brand. Private labels were (and are) often used by retailers to give them more flexibility with pricing and to build brand-loyalty with a product that you can only find at their store. You can see that the snap has Kampfe Bros (original manufacturer of the Star razor) on it, even though the inside of the case is clearly branded Stoll. I know that retailers and manufacturers re-used parts and cases all the time -- waste not, want not -- but it does sort of dilute the new "branding" a bit when you leave an indicator of the original brand. Now for the pics: The patent date, which is only a few weeks after the Ever-Ready 1914 (aka Little Lather Catcher), is visible along with the Wilbert Cutlery stamp. This shows the "shovel head" type front hinge, and you can see the innovation of a blade setting lever. You slide the blade in place, and then push the lever up, this locks the blade right up against the blade stops; then when you close the lid, the lever itself is pushed back down. So the cap keeps the blade in place, and the lever is really used only for the initial set....at least that's my take-away. Here is the Kampfe Bros stamped button closure on a Wilber Cutlery Stoll Razor. A shot of the "lather catcher" basket -- and you can see the blade setting lever in the back. Lastly is a couple of shots of a 1922 Sears, Roebuck Catalog page which shows the Stoll. As I have the "Improved Stoll", mine must be post 1922 -- and Waits' Compendium puts the ending year at 1926. You can tell that the Private Label goods always get the best positioning in the catalog. If anyone has one of these, or has any other info -- please weigh-in. I'll definitely follow up with more info on the shaves and with some comparative pics...stay tuned.
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Post by riverrun on Jun 2, 2019 12:01:04 GMT -6
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Post by Flintstone on Jun 2, 2019 13:37:58 GMT -6
Thank you, good sir! I was hoping you would post the patent info. Mr. Kampfe seems to indicate that the "latch" is used to hold the blade in place (and perhaps it does), but appears to me that closing the lid forces the latch down, which appears to release pressure on the blade. I'll have to examine it closer since it appears my "blade setting then disengaging" is not it's primary (or intended) function. I'm hoping to coax a better shave from it tomorrow. The shaves aren't painful or damaging (far from it), the razor is ultra-mild and not very efficient -- I've been having to add a 4th pass to get it in my DFS range. Admittedly, every shave has been better than the last, so I'm certain technique is certainly playing a major role. Thanks again, Andreas!!!
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Post by riverrun on Jun 2, 2019 14:27:43 GMT -6
Thank you, good sir! I was hoping you would post the patent info. Mr. Kampfe seems to indicate that the "latch" is used to hold the blade in place (and perhaps it does), but appears to me that closing the lid forces the latch down, which appears to release pressure on the blade. I'll have to examine it closer since it appears my "blade setting then disengaging" is not it's primary (or intended) function. I'm hoping to coax a better shave from it tomorrow. The shaves aren't painful or damaging (far from it), the razor is ultra-mild and not very efficient -- I've been having to add a 4th pass to get it in my DFS range. Admittedly, every shave has been better than the last, so I'm certain technique is certainly playing a major role. Thanks again, Andreas!!! You are lucky if the patent vaguely resembles your razor. Look at this patent claimed for many Schick injectors (D-H): razors.click/patents/US1806087/
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Post by TobyC on Jun 2, 2019 14:35:16 GMT -6
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Post by TobyC on Jun 2, 2019 14:43:36 GMT -6
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